-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 7/2/2014 2:54 PM, MacLemon wrote: > Hey! > > On 02 Jul 2014, at 03:49, C B <cb...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> in no way makes Montblac, Southworth, or Smith's Stationary the >> least bit responsible for the bank robbery. This ruling is a >> clear lack of understanding of how the Internet and Tor work. > > I totally agree. It contradicts Austrian legislation of the so > called “Provider's privilege” which states that the operator or > provider of a service is not liable for the data transmitted over > said service. > > Following that mis-ruling the Austrian Post Office would be liable > for the goods they deliver (as well as any other delivery service, > like packages, food, Amazon, or basically any ISP as well.) > > We'll see how that continues. Best regards MacLemon >
The subject of this attracted my attention. Are we talking here about a clear law, written black on white which states that it is illegal to run Tor relays (or any kind of telecommunications proxy servers) and that you are responsible for your user's actions, even if you provide those services free of charge, therefor not required to collect any data about your users? Is it actually a specific law which was enforced here clearly stating that you cannot run Tor or open proxy servers? Or are we talking about just one decision from a judge who probably didn't do a proper reading and analysis before applying this decision? Or maybe the person charged with this was actually doing something illegal? Anyone has more details? If so, shouldn't the EU legislation protect you against such an abuse? In some countries, quite a lot of them actually, there is even no definition in the law whatsoever for open proxy servers or telecommunications internet traffic. Internet is (from legal point of view, no technical - new invention. Tor is newer and science fiction for the vast majority of people). Does this mean in those countries you can run anything you want? Or not run anything because you to to jail for ANOTHER penal code, which makes vague reference about this too. That is nonsense. Why not arrest the owners of a stainless steel blade factory, because some people stab other people with those blades. - -- s7r PGP Fingerprint: 7C36 9232 5ABD FB0B 3021 03F1 837F A52C 8126 5B11 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTtCutAAoJEIN/pSyBJlsRLD4H/0SePsnXDbbxxq2ulvLJDfLB YqL/OYJaSMbldJJlIMt4soLxpIvRZYj2VHa8jnKfWg6z05jM3uUvBG/pyaAHzSy4 wptr+XGsLLkE8xFjMhy1Q5B+hLkWCYsTNp0XfRfBFiR/Y0mGiT8xNbKdUAGng54i qtQL/D99N1yo5yvl+gzvDNHE2sJ+fFnwPCadUQE05JJtG8JY9p9yU4QCw3N0SqFI kqs2k7q2N6VWzBJWy4GggTvMPlDaZqh6ssAGY0b2ZqY9S3mEqjEpJ8w43JJaJCOz iCzUCqYbya3J78jvom9xYfPV+X+2YjkPA67RSv9JV+LOlDn+fh4Wn/hcqeGZvgk= =sVoz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
