What kind of VPN provider did he use?
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 9:27 PM, mirimir <[email protected]> wrote: > On 10/04/2013 12:44 AM, shadowOps07 wrote: > > > Yeah, but the country doesn't have the release the log to the fascist > > police state just because "Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty" is in place. > > They have the MORAL obligation to disregard the treaty. US is in no > > position to demand obligations from other countries. Rather, MLAT is a > > farce. > > Well, then, he picked the wrong country for his VPN provider. He also > picked the wrong country for his hosting provider. And he didn't keep > himself anonymous enough from either one. > > If we're going to be throwing blame around, I think that Mr. Ulbricht > deserves most of it. In my opinion, he misled perhaps a million people > into using his site. One could consider them fools, of course. They > provided names and addresses to drug dealers, and eventually to the FBI. > But is it fair to expect users to understand the technical and > operational challenges involved? I don't think so. > > But, as much as I enjoy debating this, it has nothing to do with Tor ;) > > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 7:58 PM, mirimir <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On 10/03/2013 11:33 PM, shadowOps07 wrote: > >> > >>> Was the VPN located in the US? If not, then FBI doesn't have any > >>> jurisdiction outside of US. > >> > >> On p. 14 of UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf, there's reference to a > >> "Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty". > >> > >>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Roger Dingledine <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 08:58:57PM +0000, mirimir wrote: > >>>>> So they did have the server before they knew who he was. > >>>> > >>>> Careful there -- while I assume they didn't lie in their affidavit, > it's > >>>> quite reasonable to assume that they investigated all sorts of things, > >>>> all sorts of ways, and then afterwards chose to write down exactly the > >>>> set of facts that when lined up in the correct order makes it look > like > >>>> a clean solid case. > >>>> > >>>> It's a slippery slope from there to 'parallel construction', but I > think > >>>> it's standard practice to start with some leads and use them to find > >>>> more solid facts, and it's also standard practice to not mention all > >>>> your leads in your affidavit. > >>>> > >>>> To be more concrete, their job here is to link the guy to the website. > >>>> So if they had a pretty good idea of who the guy was, but not enough > >>>> evidence to bust him, it makes sense to me that they would go find one > >>>> of the servers, collect all the evidence they can from it, and hope > >>>> to find something specific that points back at the guy. And who knows, > >>>> maybe they did that several times before they found something they > liked > >>>> enough to build a case from it. > >>>> > >>>> Your theory that "he was sold out by one of his administrators" also > >>>> fits fine here -- the administrators pointed to the guy but then they > >>>> needed to build a solid-looking case. > >>>> > >>>>> We also knew > >>>>> that he was sold out by his VPN provider. Hopefully, the identity of > >>>>> that VPN provider will come out soon. > >>>> > >>>> Why? So everybody can abandon that VPN and move to a different one > that > >>>> also responds to subpoenas but hasn't been written about in a > >> high-profile > >>>> court case yet? :) > >>>> > >>>> --Roger > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> tor-talk mailing list - [email protected] > >>>> To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to > >>>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > >>>> > >> > >> -- > >> tor-talk mailing list - [email protected] > >> To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to > >> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > >> > > -- > tor-talk mailing list - [email protected] > To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > -- tor-talk mailing list - [email protected] To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
