On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:58 AM, adrelanos <adrela...@riseup.net> wrote: > Is this actually true? I've seen in a discussion that there is 00, yes > 0.0 cp on clearnet, because there are no countries which tolerate it and > therefore all server admins immediately delete it.
That's most certainly not true, or at least wasn't true a couple of years ago. After the famous Russian 2ch.ru imageboard untimely demise, a few alternatives quickly sprang, and the most high-traffic one (I think 02ch.net) had a /cp board on a separate (likely hacked) Chinese domain (with actual CP). I don't know why they did that — for trolling potential, or perhaps to clean up the regular boards due to lack of resources for moderation, but there you have it: most trafficked clearnet Russian imageboard had an active /cp board for a few months. Mind you, this is only a well-known public example — who knows how many password-protected or obscure forums there are (by now, most probably use https, but it's still possible to MITM them on an exit node for analysis, since some / most users will always click through a certificate warning). Also, the “immediate deletion” part is often not achievable, even if server admins actively try to remove such content — CP videos (for whatever definition of CP) in various social networks are a known problem, especially when they are restricted to closed groups. A “known problem” not in the sense of an argument that politicians use to promote themselves over the think-of-the-children case du jour, but you would actually see imageboard threads with (irony alert) links to abuse report queues on said social networks, full of such content. If I were to guess, I would say that for any definition of illegal content / activity, most such content is located on clearnet, since Tor is simply too small. If anything, Tor provides an immense opportunity for law enforcement to discover such activities in a centralized manner, by setting a few exit nodes (and maybe relays for finding out popular .onion addresses). E.g., instead of crawling the whole web for terrorism forums, just analyze those sites that are accessed via exit nodes (where you also have the opportunity to MITM). Terrorists are dumb, but some are bound to have the know-how to install Tor. -- Maxim Kammerer Liberté Linux: http://dee.su/liberte _______________________________________________ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
