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> On 18 Jan 2014, at 01:30, eliaz <el...@riseup.net> wrote: > >> On 1/15/2014 8:19 AM, nano wrote: >>> On 15/01/2014 10:29 PM, Sebastian Urbach wrote: >>> I really tried very hard to stay calm but at least someone has to say >>> it. I think operating relays / bridges can be described as a cutting >>> edge job or experience. > [snip] >>> If you don't know what you are doing, then be honest to yourself and >>> stop doing it ! > [snip] >>> And further, i strongly disagree with the text Robert wrote today that >>> the project should provide more material for newbies because there is >>> already more than enough material. > [snip] >>> I would like to propose a new list which may or may not be called >>> "tor-relays-new" or so. New operators should start there for a certain >>> period of time and if everything seems to be in order they may be >>> transferred to tor-relays. > [snip] >> Sebastian, >> >> I respect your opinion and appreciate your frustration borne from the >> inabilities of less skilled correspondents and their submissions. >> However, I don't believe running a Tor node, of any kind, requires >> either "it professionals with years and years of experience" or "serious >> skills" in system administration. > [snip] >> In part, I >> agree with the sentiment that "[if] you don't know what you are doing, >> then be honest to yourself and stop doing it"; however, I would instead >> change the apodosis to: 'seek assistance'. I would find that outcome >> preferable to ceasing participation entirely. Correspondingly, I >> consider this mailing list an excellent resource to facilitate said >> assistance; subscribers will either choose to contribute, or not. >> Furthermore, more documentation is rarely a bad idea and while limited >> resources should be prudently managed, I don't believe requests for >> assistance from mailing list correspondents consume said resources. > [snip] >> Nevertheless, subscribers are free to acknowledge mailing list >> correspondence or ignore it > [snip] > In the interest of >> full disclosure, I consider myself one of these "new relay operators" >> [0] so my opinions are most likely affected by bias. >> >> [0] >> https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/799B025E25850A88CD133276301FAFB731C2EA94 > > I've been thinking for a while that a separate list for *bridge* > operators might be a good idea. I've put effort (and cash) into running > a bridge approaching 24/7, at which I was successful with TBB ver 2, but > have been frustrated since the advent of browser 3.5 and standalone > vidalia. Running the bridge blindly - just loading 3.5 and not trying to > assess whether the bridge is working properly, or indeed if it's > necessary, hasn't been satisfying. I want to know why/how certain things > wok or don't work. I've been conflicted in this; either I run my own > experiments, resulting in the bridge being up erratically; or I ask what > I can well believe experienced node operators & developers might > consider dunderheaded questions. And since bridges are supposed to be > secret, I'm not even sure what should or should not beasked in a clear > list. I've tried asking tor support via encrypted msgs with mixed > results: I can understand that support has more important things to do > than reassure me that I'm on the right track. > If other bridge operators also feel underserved and experienced users > feel beleaguered by us, maybe opening a list for bridge operators (or an > encrypted support address) might be a good experiment. Even if a > dedicated list is populated only amateurs it might help us keep running > more consistently & intelligently. > Yup, my bridge is down for now. Understanding what I'm doing has taken > too much time away from other work. I hope to have the bridge up again > as soon as I have enough time to work things out on my own or frame > intelligent questions. - eliaz > ---- gpg 04DEF82B > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > _______________________________________________ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays _______________________________________________ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
