Re: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only distribution

[Tim Funk]

I have interest in the admin tool - but I don't trust it yet and for my production work - and I am still stuck on the 4.0.X series.

I think the admin tool is essential for a full distribution - but useless in a minimal distribution. The user base wanting the min distribution already have the know-how to do what ever they need and the admin app would get in the way.

For the new user - the admin tool is very important as a guide for simple changes in an simple manner until they get experience with manipulating server.xml themselves.

I went through the same experience with weblogic 6. The admin tool was nice - but once I knew the XML attributes to place in their config files - the admin interface was (mostly) useless. I believe the same will be the same for tomcat users. The use of the admin app will be inversely proportional to the user's skill level.

Additionaly, if I create Listeners or other custom classes which need configured in server.xml - I don't want to use the admin app. I'd rather hand write the file myself. I am sure most admins in the same predicament would feel the same.

In a nutshell - I think the admin app is helpful to new users. Personally - I don't have enough experience with it to judge if it is better than just editing server.xml by hand.

-Tim

Glenn Nielsen wrote:

Jeanfrancois Arcand wrote:

Jon Scott Stevens wrote:

Create a separate minimal JSR 154 only distribution of Tomcat 4.x:

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-jon

(1) Jasper is very a very small jar file.
(2) The Admin Tool should go with the minimal distribution of Tomcat. We decided to include JMX in Tomcat distribution...what's the point having JMX and not the Admin Tool? Maybe JSP is not required by all Tomcat users, but I'm sure a lot of them like to have the Admin Tool .

Not to pick on Jean Francois, but many times I have seen tomcat devs discuss
what the users want or use when discussing features. I have no real idea what
features tomcat users use or what features they want, other than anecdotal.

Are there any facts behind the statement "but I'm sure a lot of them like to have the Admin Tool."?

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