Paul Speed wrote: > Any "behind closed doors" discussions have the potential for alienating > the non-committer community. Determining what conversations are > appropriate for this other list is a very slippery slope. It's
:-) Yes, I think I know what you mean. Trust me, you're not the only one who things that, and 'closed doors' is the last thing I want. I see it more like an 'open doors' situation ( private Cc: -> a larger group ). > already been proposed that votes for new committers be discussed there > first. What's next? And if the other list starts being used for No, I just sugested that it would be nice to avoid some of the incidents that happened in the past. I admit - in most cases I do send a private mail to the person and few private mails to some other commiters to ask their opinions. Jumping directly and making the proposal is not the best strategy IMO, and at least I never did that without at least a second opinion. So the only thing that will change is having this 'do you think it's a good idea' sent to everyone. And avoid 'no, I don't think so because ...' in the public list. > As a non-committer but long-time subscriber to this list, my opinion > is that _all_ messages on "the other" list must absolutely show up > here eventually, at some delay. Otherwise, there is no longer any > transparency. (This is also the biggest reason it's better than > CCed e-mails; because the messages will always be public at some > point.) I agree for most part. And I think that an all-commiter list is better than Cc: chains with few people, it's more inclusive and better for everyone. Regarding all-messages to the list - I agree, all information should get to tomcat-dev, ( unless whoever posts it wants to keep it private ). One of the reasons Cc: is used is because some people don't want certain issues to become public ( for example me asking Remy really dumb questions on JNDI :-). I think it would be better if most of the Cc: will go to the commiters list, and most of the commiters list will go to tomcat-dev. Both are improvements over current situation IMO. And besides - if someone really wants to be on the commiters list, there is a way to do it, and we are all happy to get more people involved ( and on the list ) :-) Costin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:tomcat-dev-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:tomcat-dev-help@;jakarta.apache.org>
