On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Jon Stevens wrote:
> > It's just sad when an organization like Apache chooses to ignore existing
> > standards and invent it's own DTD and transformation language to do the
> > site.
>
> Once again Costin, you fail to impress me with your statements. You confuse
> "Apache" with some organization of people who are paid to work on stuff.
Well, it's not my goal to "impress" you - and it doesn't matter if people
are paid or not.
It's a choice that every group should make - Apache made once the choice
to strictly implement the HTTP spec, and it used to be a place where
standards meant something.
And the fact that apache site is built on top of an arbitrary xml DTD and
transformation language when a stadard one exists is quite impressive for
me.
Is apache now a standard body, competing with W3C and oasis ?
> Having said that, you didn't come up with a solution and I personally think
> that the XSLT "standards" suck. I'm sure that plenty of other people who
> have spent enough time with XSLT will agree with me (for me, it took all of
> 5 minutes to figure out that XSLT's implementation sucks).
>
> So, I came up with a solution (Anakia) that beat the pants off of Stylebook
> in terms of speed and ease of use and now at least 10 different Jakarta
> projects have adopted it. Something must be acceptable about it.
Sure - what's next ? HTTP sucks, and we implement our better version ?
After all apache has many users, I'm sure people will find some extensions
usefull.
So whoever writes a DTD and a transformation language will have apache
site converted to it, and all people will have to forget about anakia DTD
and use the new DTD ( until another apache DTD is invented ) ?
> So, when you come up with something better and port everything over, I'm
> sure that we will all just love using it. Until then, I suggest that you
> keep your opinions to yourself as they are not helpful at all.
I'm sure they're not helpful to you. But since the discussion is about
switching tomcat documentation from HTML to an apache-specific tag set, I
think people might find my opinion useful.
And of course, I do hope the use of anakia tagset will happen _after_ a
vote on tomcat_dev, as it should be.
Costin
