> The two points I have brought up are:
>
> #1. that Costin didn't make a vote in the ASF because his boss @ Sun didn't
> let him.
It's actually Craig that complained to my boss. The rules were that we are
free to work on anything we want in our free time, and that we can
freely express our opinions. At least until Craig started to turn things
into something else.
> #2. that his employer also tried to pull him off the project by giving him
> something else to do (which seems to have badly backfired).
Not quite - the first thing Craig did was to set the rules to "work on
Catalina or go" ( plus some other nice rules I prefer to not remember). I
choosed to go - and I'm very gratefull to my managers for making it quick
and easy. And to be honest I moved to a great project.
Yes, I lost the "be paid to do what you would do in your free time", and I
had double work to do - but it has been fun.
> "What the fuck is it"; is that much of what goes on behind Sun's closed
> doors is a hell of a lot more closed and affective to this project than what
> we (including yourself) discuss on the PMC list.
Guess what - I work on this project as an individual and everyone inside
Sun ( except Craig ) supported that.
In any case, the managers at Sun are way ahead of what this PMC seems to
be doing. Believe me, after the open source experience I've had on
tomcat-dev and the "corporate" experience I had at Sun - most of my
beliefs about open source are shaken. When I started I though open source
is the greatest thing. Now I understand that the people quality matter the
most.
( and BTW, I don't know how it is in your company, but I never worked in
any place where the managers had such a bad communication and secrecy with
their employee as in this open-source project )
> > What sort of community are you trying to build out here?
>
> I really don't understand how you all put up with Costin's FUD and rants
> against Tomcat 4.0 forever now without saying anything and when I speak up
> against continuing Tomcat 3.x indefinitely, suddenly I'm the asshole.
FUD ? Rants ? Well Jon, pick any one - what are the issues where I believe
I'm wrong ?
Can you argue about how Valve's single chain of command ( where
authentication, generation, etc are done in a single invoke() ) can be
better than what all other server are doing ( and Apache 2.0 moves to a
different level with the flexible HOOK mechanism ?
Can you argue about the design of Catalina - and point to the point where
we discussed _any_ of the requirements and design choices ?
Can you argue about the ammount of public discussion during the 4.0 ?
Or about the number of interfaces needed to do anything ?
( or has been any of this discussed and decided ? )
Which is the FUD ?
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Costin
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