on 1/15/01 7:18 PM, "Anil Vijendran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What the f*ck is it, really?!

The two points I have brought up are:

#1. that Costin didn't make a vote in the ASF because his boss @ Sun didn't
let him.
#2. that his employer also tried to pull him off the project by giving him
something else to do (which seems to have badly backfired).

"What the fuck is it"; is that much of what goes on behind Sun's closed
doors is a hell of a lot more closed and affective to this project than what
we (including yourself) discuss on the PMC list.

I'm sorry that you couldn't read through the cracks well enough. I hope that
spells it out more clearly for you.

> What sort of community are you trying to build out here?

I really don't understand how you all put up with Costin's FUD and rants
against Tomcat 4.0 forever now without saying anything and when I speak up
against continuing Tomcat 3.x indefinitely, suddenly I'm the asshole.

> Seeing all of this, I don't think I'd be too much off my mark if I suggested
> that Jon's indiscipline on the mailing lists be discussed at some level or the
> other. The rest of Apache and this PMC keeping quiet on these sorts of
> behaviours is only going to exacerbate the notion of the PMC being a clique.

Are you saying that you are pro-censorship? That people are not allowed to
express their views however they want? I worry for you as well as the PMC.

-jon


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