on 1/15/01 3:05 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 2) When a revolution is ready for prime time, the committer proposes a
>>> merge to the -dev list. At that time, the overall community evaluates
>>> whether or not the code is ready to become part of, or to
>>> potentially replace the, trunk. Suggestions may be made, changes may be
>>> required. Once all issues have been taken care of and the merge is
>>> approved, the new code becomes the trunk.
>>
>> One of the agenda items for the meeting will be to discuss whether or not
>> the Jakarta PMC adopts this document. So far, it isn't officially adopted.
>
> Ah, so it was ok for starting catalina, and a large number of _commiters_
> voted on it
No. The commiters voted on the proposals that Craig sent to the list.
> - but it's not valid until the PMC adopts it ?
Correct.
> Yes, it was about moving catalina in a separate CVS and implementing
> servlet 2.3 and calling it tomcat 4.0. Not about replacing 3.x or droping
> development.
Right.
> And as the time has proven, calling it 4.0 didn't get more people
> involved.
Does it matter?
> ( but created the confusion about 2 completely different codebases with
> the same name, and then for claims that Servlet2.3 support isn't allowed
> for 3.x because it's confusing - since 4.0 has the same name )
No, at the time, we didn't have a concrete plan as to what Tomcat 3.x would
become. You have done all your re-factoring work towards making 3.x able to
support 2.3 without making any proposals to the list as far as I can tell.
You just went and did it.
> But that's still far away from what you claim to be ( or make it sound
> like ) the overwhealming majority of commiters deciding to drop 3.x and
> move to 4.0. In fact the commit history shows pretty much that following
> that decision nothing change - the same people continued to work on 4.0.
6 people voted +1. How many more does it take?
> Because Craig complained to my manager, and she asked me to refrain from
> some posting. Which turned to be a great thing - since arguing about the
> technical mistakes in Catalina's design was driving attention and interest
> to it.
So, the truth finally comes out. You decided not to vote because of your own
political pressures within your own corporation. Hmmmmmmm...what does that
say?
> Since the proposal didn't brough anything new ( Craig was calling it .next
> from the beginning, and moving it out in a separate tree was not my
> problem ) and since it didn't sparked any interest I choosed to ignore it
> - the even wanted to sent a +0 ( == do whatever you want with 4.0,
> let me know when you are done so we can check the claims you make ), but
> I didn't thought it's worth it.
However, it is now proving that it was worth voting on.
> Oh, no - more an oligarchy.
How so?
>>> And how many commiters ( including Hans and Duncan ) did stoped working on
>>> 3.x and started working on 4.0 ?
>>
>> What does that have to do with anything?
>
> you claim that the project decision was to move into 4.0 direction, and
> this proposal is exactly that and the commiters aproved that - well, then
> what happened ?
I repeat:
What does that have to do with anything?
> Yes, spending all the time contributing to tomcat - just to be trashed and
> flamed by "community members" like you.
Writing code is one thing.
Acting as part of the project community and direction is another.
-jon
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