I'll be honest; I don't remotely understand how to interpret the English of
this sentence:

" This all seems motivated by insuring against the ML-KEM patent license
that limits for what ML-KEM can be used for, to allow the IETF to say
"oh but TLS does not allow ephemeral key shared so we don't care about
that use-case". "

What "*limits*" on the ML-KEM patent license are you referring to?

On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 12:43 PM Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 3:20 AM Simon Josefsson <simon=
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Viktor Dukhovni <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>> > On Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 04:40:14PM -0400, Sean Turner wrote:
>> >
>> >> This message starts a two week consensus call on whether
>> >> draft-ietf-tls-rfc8446bis should prohibit key share reuse between
>> >> connections. ekr has already produced a PR; see [1]. Please let the
>> >> list know whether you do or do not support this change by 6 April
>> >> 2026. Please note that if you already replied in here:[2] there is no
>> >> need to also reply to this thread unless you changed your mind.
>> >>
>> >> Note that as draft-ietf-tls-rfc8446bis in currently in AUTH48, this
>> >> may add some delay to its publication. We believe that any delay would
>> >> be small because we already know there are outstanding PRs that needed
>> >> to be worked.
>> >
>> > FWIW, I still believe that the current SHOULD NOT (reuse ephemeral keys)
>> > is better than the proposed MUST NOT, however that's not a battle worth
>> > fighting.  It seems that the prevailing wisdom is to make the change,
>> > and no disaster will ensue if it is made.
>>
>> +1
>>
>> I believe implementations and deployment that make reasonable use of key
>> share reuse (which I believe the earlier discussion acknowledged) will
>> happily continue to do so, violating the MUST NOT, and things will be
>> fine.
>>
>> This all seems motivated by insuring against the ML-KEM patent license
>> that limits for what ML-KEM can be used for, to allow the IETF to say
>> "oh but TLS does not allow ephemeral key shared so we don't care about
>> that use-case".
>>
>
> No. That's not correct, at least not for me.
>
> Separately, I've noticed you have a tendency to attribute motives to
> others that
> aren't really accurate and often seem designed to reflect badly on them.
> I would ask you to stop.
>
> -Ekr
>
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