On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 12:13 PM Stephen Farrell <stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie>
wrote:

>
> Hiya,
>
> Answering a few points at once:
>
> On 15/12/2024 17:05, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> > I don't think it's a good use of the WG's time to put out this kind
> > of guidance statement. Rather, we should simply adopt some subset of
> > the proposed drafts. The Recommended column in the code point
> > registry serves as the TLS WG's recommendation.
>
> I don't think that mechanism is quite sufficient here, for at
> least two reasons:
>
> 1) if we e.g. add recommended=y for X25519MLKEM768, that'd mean
> we now have 5 such groups all with recommended=y so we're still
> missing guidance required amongst those which becomes a thing we
> do care about whereas we more or less didn't when we only had 4.
>
> 2) if someone can do X25519MLKEM768, then they can also do
> MLKEM768 which (let's assume) remains recommended=n, so we ought
> give such folks guidance to not turn that on (if we end up with
> consensus to say that).
>

I don't agree with either of these points. We already have MTI and
Recommended=Y, which are sufficient to (1) provide interop and
(2) to indicate what the TLS WG thinks is safe. I don't think it's
helpful for us to try to make ever finer-distinctions of either
Recommended=Y or Recommended=N. Moreover, as the
discussion so far shows, trying to draw these distinctions has
a high risk of being an attractive nuisance.

-Ekr
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