>  The term "design" is just what RFC 2418 uses. If the input from such a
group can influence the protocol, it seems to match the exact text from the
RFC: "formal set of expert volunteers".

Ah, I missed that part, thanks! OK good, we may have reversed engineered a
thing from 20 years ago :D

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 4:53 PM Rob Sayre <say...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 1:46 PM Deirdre Connolly <durumcrustu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Those guidelines may be useful to us, thanks for the link.
>>
>> I want to be clear that the output of the FATT is not 'design' as
>> described in
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-on-design-teams-20011221/,
>> as the FATT may include experts that do not participate in the working
>> group generally , but closer to security review and recommendations of what
>> kind of analysis (if any) would help confirm that the proven formal
>> security properties of TLS 1.3 remain standing. Just as external
>> researchers looked at drafts of TLS 1.3 and did analyses of them, which
>> were taken into account for future drafts of the document (or not!), so
>> would the FATT be providing input, but not necessarily 'design'.
>>
>
> I think you're splitting hairs here a bit. The term "design" is just
> what RFC 2418 uses. If the input from such a group can influence the
> protocol, it seems to match the exact text from the RFC: "formal set of
> expert volunteers".
>
> thanks,
> Rob
>
>
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