Thank you for the followon post. Now I understand what you are saying. I disagree, but at least I understand :)
> 1. At large-operator scale, where SNI is used to block instead IP, outer-SNI forces 'over-blocking' such that large swathes of the Internet will be unreachable to many. (I'm purposefully ignoring IP-specific matters to focus on ECH, itself.) Perhaps. We don't know what national-scale entities will do. They could block any connection that has the ECH extension in it, allowing sites to be reached as long as "they" know the connecting site, and then fallback to SNI-blocking. I believe such speculation is an idle academic exercise. > 2. ECH privacy is directly proportional to operator size, which devalues small operations The only answer to "how to achieve the benefits of ECH" is to 'hide among the herd', which is achieved only via larger operators. An Internet that discourages small operations is not the Internet we value. I completely disagree with the last sentence, for two reasons. First, as Ben has pointed out, if a small site adds ECH it causes no additional loss of privacy as if they didn't implement it. Second, yes, the larger the anonymity set, the more benefit to "hiding." I suppose if you look at things in a particular way, you can say that ECH increases the worrisome trend toward centralization. Oh well. I am treating ECH as a solution, not a building block. Others may disagree. _______________________________________________ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls