> I'm not sure what you are implying might be impossible.  Are you suggesting 
> that it might be impossible to get a name for which you could get a 
> certificate?

No. I'm implying that if we don't allow clients to authenticate client-facing 
servers with an IP-based certificate, ECH won't be possible in cases where the 
client-facing server doesn't have a name.


> On Apr 20, 2021, at 6:40 PM, Martin Thomson <m...@lowentropy.net> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, at 11:30, Carrick Bartle wrote:
>> This does sound unusual. That said, if this sort of set-up is possible 
>> (which presumably it is), it seems unfortunate to make ECH impossible 
>> in that scenario.
> 
> I'm not sure what you are implying might be impossible.  Are you suggesting 
> that it might be impossible to get a name for which you could get a 
> certificate?  If that could be shown to be impossible (or even just quite 
> hard) under some reasonable set of conditions, then I might change my 
> position.

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