> we're talking about a host that fronts for multiple different names, so I'm 
> finding it hard to imagine how finding a name usable for this purpose would 
> be challenging.

This does sound unusual. That said, if this sort of set-up is possible (which 
presumably it is), it seems unfortunate to make ECH impossible in that scenario.



> On Apr 20, 2021, at 6:00 PM, Martin Thomson <m...@lowentropy.net> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, at 10:33, Christopher Wood wrote:
>> Taking a step back, it would be great if we could reach consensus on 
>> whether or not this is a use case we actually want to solve. 
> 
> The Web currently recognizes IP certificates.  The specs, thanks RFC 6125, 
> largely missed this, but we're fixing that.  ACME has RFC 8738 and the latest 
> HTTP(S) spec finally defines validation for an IP-based reference identity.
> 
> All that said, IP certificates are naturally a feature with narrow 
> applicability.  For something like ECH fallback, which should be rare, we 
> benefit more from reduced options and simplicity than we do by enabling niche 
> features.  Adding a dependency on a rarely used feature, optional or not, 
> only increases the risk profile.  And complexity.
> 
> So I don't think we should support different anything other than a domain 
> name for ECH fallback.
> 
> If someone could demonstrate that it would be an undue imposition to require 
> a client-facing server to use a domain name, then I would happily concede the 
> point.  As it is, we're talking about a host that fronts for multiple 
> different names, so I'm finding it hard to imagine how finding a name usable 
> for this purpose would be challenging.
> 
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