On 08/03/2020 16:35, Tony Rutkowski wrote: > Stephen, > > It is not false.
We disagree. SDNS != TLS. TLS was SSL with the middle S standing for socket, which wasn't part of SDNS or GOSIP that I recall. > It is simply largely unknown because of subsequent > IETF related narratives that choose to omit the history. The documents > are available online - although portions remain classified. Hah, that's funny. And with the classified documents defense of the falsehood, I'm done debunking this. S. > A request > is pending for their declassification and release. You can find some of > the details in the links in this article. > http://www.circleid.com/posts/20190124_creating_tls_the_pioneering_role_of_ruth_nelson/ > > > Ruth Nelson - who led some of the important components - appeared at > last October's NSA Crypto History Symposium. She filled in some of the > details and the work was recognized by those there. Whit was also there > also there and gave a great presentation. Unfortunately, women in this > field seem not to get the credit they deserve. > > --tony > > > On 2020-03-08 10:56 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> >> On 08/03/2020 14:46, Tony Rutkowski wrote: >>> TLS is particular has a history going back to 1986 when the platform was >>> first announced by the USG and the TLS specification was instantiated >>> initially in the GOSIP standards and then in ITU/ISO standards. >> That's false. I've seen it repeated a few times but it >> remains false. Mostly, this falsehood seems to be repeated >> in tandem with efforts one could interpret as attempts >> to create FUD about Internet related security. >> >> TLS started in the IETF as a compromise between Netscape >> and Microsoft proposals for how to secure HTTP. >> >> X.509 started as part of X.400, then X.500 and is used by >> TLS. Today, I would bet almost all implementers never need >> to look beyond RFC5280 for X.509. And I hope it stays that >> way until we somehow figure out how to retire X.509. >> >> S. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TLS mailing list >> TLS@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls >
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