On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie > wrote:
> > > On 12/07/17 16:27, Kyle Rose wrote: > > The telco in the POTS case isn't either endpoint. The third-party > > surveillance is unknown to those endpoints. Therefore: wiretapping. > > Same in the wordpress.com or smtp/tls cases already > described on list. Therefore: wiretapping. > > My point was that "collaborating" does not mean not > wiretapping. Saying otherwise is what'd be silly. > And yet that's what 2804, what you have repeatedly cited, explicitly states. I'm going to go with the definition given there, "silly" or not. This isn't wiretapping: it's *something else* potentially bad, but not all surveillance is wiretapping. Kyle
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