I am not sure I understand what your reply means? Is it that we should create or even allow an environment to develop, where all providers of service cannot provide effective diagnostics and support? And then see the constituents of these industries collapse together. And only then realize we have an issue? I hope I am not understanding correctly. IETF is supposed to be looking ahead to provide better answers and circumvent predictable problems. Not ignoring, waiting and then reacting to negative situations that can and should be avoided.
What I am saying, in relation to your "Delivering a stable product" comment is that over time various industries have learned what it takes to "Deliver a stable product". We did not want to invest millions in these debugging networks. But we learned the hard way, that it was necessary. I am not a member of the banking coalition that started this subject, nor of the banking industry at all, but I certainly understand their perspective and am concerned about the same unmanageable future they described. Thanks Mike -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Walton [mailto:noloa...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 10:55 AM To: Ackermann, Michael <mackerm...@bcbsm.com> Cc: BITS Security <bitssecur...@fsroundtable.org>; tls@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TLS] Industry Concerns about TLS 1.3 On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Ackermann, Michael <mackerm...@bcbsm.com> wrote: > From the perspective an Enterprise that runs these applications and has > invested HEAVILY in the debugging networks......... > > The reason we are debugging these networks is so that "The 5-6 order of > magnitude of folks using them" will have good service. If they do not, > they will consider competitors and/or generate a litany service calls or > complaints. I.E. When these "Folks" are slow or not working they > are just as unhappy as we are. > Isn't that the market operating as expected? Those who deliver a stable product at a competitive price are rewarded, while those who fail to deliver or deliver at an unreasonable cost are not? (Some hand waiving). If all providers failed to deliver or delivered an inferior product, then it might indicate a major course correction is needed. But I don't think that's the case here. Jeff The information contained in this communication is highly confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom this communication is directed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any viewing, copying, disclosure or distribution of this information is prohibited. Please notify the sender, by electronic mail or telephone, of any unintended receipt and delete the original message without making any copies. Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan and Blue Care Network of Michigan are nonprofit corporations and independent licensees of the Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association. _______________________________________________ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls
