Arg. Now I have "Cloudy with a chance of meatballs" stuck in my head...
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 1:17:27 PM UTC-4 Charlie Veniot wrote: > Well, more so a wiggling target than moving. Or gently swaying ... > > On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 1:14:52 PM UTC-4 Charlie Veniot wrote: > >> Then that will be the glaring difference between my work and the plugin. >> >> Well, the plugin is really for the benefit of a TiddlyWiki's owner. >> What I am doing is for the benefit of the TiddlyWiki viewers. >> >> Something like that. It is a moving target ... >> >> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 1:09:03 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote: >> >>> >>> Oh, I mean somebody else's TiddlyWiki putting things in my local >>> storage without my "yes, I agree" (i.e. "yes, I opt-in") consent. >>> >>> >>> That's hard to prevent in general: HTML pages don't need user >>> permission to write to local storage. >>> >>> In the case of the browser-storage plugin, steps are taken to separate >>> the data from wikis on different file URIs (the key names used to store the >>> tiddlers are qualified with the location of the file). >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Jeremy >>> >>> >>> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 1:02:55 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Charlie >>>> >>>> Quite awesome, except for one thing: it is opt-in by default, right? >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not sure what you mean. If you referring to the fact that on the >>>> demo that I linked the browser-storage plugin is activated by default, it >>>> is possible to leave it set disabled, and expose a checkbox or something >>>> for the user to enable it for themselves. >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> >>>> Jeremy >>>> >>>> Within the boundaries of the filter, it is an all-in / all-out option, >>>> by default all-in for the viewer of that TiddlyWiki ? >>>> >>>> I cannot stand "opt-in" by default, leaving the user with the manual >>>> effort of opting out, whatever/wherever/whenever it is. >>>> >>>> The thing I'm setting up, it is "opt-out" by default, and selective >>>> opt-in for every little thing a viewer wants. A manual step that could >>>> offer an option of full-auto if I ever add that in. >>>> >>>> If there is a way to do that kind of thing with the plug-in, that would >>>> be a really wonderful thing to document. >>>> >>>> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-4 [email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Out of the box, the browser-storage plugin saves $:/state/ tiddlers >>>>> (apart from $:/state/temp/ tiddlers) and thus most of the UI state. >>>>> There’s >>>>> no configuration beyond installing the plugin and restarting. >>>>> >>>>> To make it save all configuration such as which toolbar buttons are >>>>> hidden would require changing the “save filter” to: >>>>> >>>>> [prefix[$:/config/]] [prefix[$:/state/]] -[prefix[$:/state/popup/]] >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes >>>>> >>>>> Jeremy >>>>> >>>>> On 11 Mar 2022, at 13:26, Charlie Veniot <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It would be some nice if somebody put together a video and/or some >>>>> documentation on how somebody can plop a TiddlyWiki out there on the web, >>>>> and set it up so that viewers can set their own viewing preferences for >>>>> that TiddlyWiki, such that every time he/she visits that TiddlyWiki, it >>>>> always displays with their preferences. >>>>> >>>>> And whenever the author of that TiddlyWiki publishes a new version >>>>> with updated content, viewers still have their preferences working. >>>>> >>>>> That would be pretty cool. >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 4:44:31 AM UTC-4 [email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Charlie's post on browser storage ( >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/l-1YLy0xpJo/m/mreI115qAgAJ) >>>>>> prompted me to post a reminder about the official browser-storage >>>>>> plugin. >>>>>> Charlie is exploring many interesting use cases for browser storage, but >>>>>> that particular post covers the same functionality as the >>>>>> browser-storage >>>>>> plugin. >>>>>> >>>>>> The browser-storage plugin automatically writes any modified tiddlers >>>>>> to browser storage. It only writes tiddlers that match a filter, which >>>>>> one >>>>>> can set to [all[]] to save all tiddlers, or something >>>>>> like [prefix[$:/state/]] -[prefix[$:/state/popup/]] to just save state >>>>>> tiddlers. >>>>>> >>>>>> At startup, the browser-storage plugin reads tiddlers from local >>>>>> storage. Any tiddlers that are identical to those built into the file >>>>>> are >>>>>> deleted from local storage. Once the wiki is up and running, any tiddler >>>>>> changes are written straight to local storage. >>>>>> >>>>>> To try it out: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Visit >>>>>> >>>>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/editions/full/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fbrowser-storage >>>>>> 2. Click on the "settings" tab of the plugin >>>>>> 3. Scroll down to the heading "Save Filter", and change it to >>>>>> "[all[]]" >>>>>> 4. Create or modify some tiddlers >>>>>> 5. Refresh the page >>>>>> 6. 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