Ciao walt,
I feel your pain. BUT a PERMAlink is as its name suggests.
All the gizmoidology we have in TW now to CHANGE the Titles of tiddlers and
correctly RELINK them will NOT address the PERMAurl issue if the clickee
ONLY has your previous version of the link.
This leads me to think you are seeking for an INTERNAL-REDIRECT mechanism
(parallel to what servers do everyday) in TW such that an old address gets
redirected to the latest version of the Title.
I have NO idea how complex that would be to make.
NOR do I think it is needed.
Truth is if you are INTERNET FACING then the easiest method is to NEVER
publicly publish a permalink that could cease to exist---and don't change
Titles ever on public wiki. :-)
My 2 cents :-)
TT
On Wednesday, 5 May 2021 at 14:15:43 UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:
> OK @Tones & @TT: if neither of you guys sees this as problematic, then i'd
> better explain myself better. Here's a meta-example i've just documented:
>
> 1. Create a tiddler on this topic, and give it a permalink:
> https://meta.tiddlyhost.com/#AvoidingLinkRot. Share link with
> friends, to engage their support in taming this dragon!
> 2. Recall that "Link Rot" is a well-known problem, which Wikipedia
> might know about- and indeed: see
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_rot
> 3. Realise that- in keeping w/ principle of AtomicGranularity- i
> should probably limit this tiddler to describing the problem (including
> link to that Wikipedia article and maybe just my review of that material)
> and rename it after that article: "ProblemOfLinkRot"
> 4. Work away on that renamed tiddler, adding my detailed analysis of
> the article, and the problem.
> 5. Puzzled after a time as to why nobody is commenting on my work,
> check the link -and find out that it's broken. (yeesh! and nobody told me?
> did they even click the link i shared?)
>
> i've run through this loop enough times, it's already getting old. Could
> it be that it's just me, i wonder?
>
> /walt
> On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 10:51:28 AM UTC+1 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Ciao walt,
>>
>> Right. Tiddler PERMALINK-ability posted as URLs elsewhere is intimately
>> tied to NOT changing Titles.
>>
>> Personally I can't get in a hot sweat over that. That is no different
>> than any other web page.
>> SURE you could get into REDIRECTS on a server or up the complexity
>> within TW of self-REDIRECTS I guess?
>>
>> I don't really see the point though :-).
>>
>> Best wishes
>> TT
>>
>> On Wednesday, 5 May 2021 at 10:34:24 UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:
>>
>>> The more i use TW, the more concerned i become about maintaining data
>>> integrity -and so this issue has boiled to the top of my queue: how can i
>>> continue to enjoy the benefits of TW (+ Relink plugin) flexibility, without
>>> compromising the integrity of Permalinks?
>>>
>>> This feels like a deep problem that goes right to core TW architecture-
>>> since, as PMario explained in last thread
>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/kTrAbuneCkA/m/lAsdkriFAgAJ>,
>>> tiddler immutability is tied to its Title (so how can Relink even work, i
>>> wonder?)- but if i've learned anything here, it is to not underestimate the
>>> creative problem-solving ability of this group :-)... SO:
>>>
>>> From a non-technical perspective, what i'd like to do is have some
>>> immutable UID (based on date-time, or maybe date+ a serial number, like
>>> yyyy-mm-dd-serialnum) that is used for Permalinks (i.e. shared w/ the
>>> outside web that is not Relink-aware), but still have Title field and
>>> Relink plugin (and everything else for that matter) work just as it does
>>> now, from the TW editor's perspective.
>>>
>>> Is this a reasonable feature design goal, i wonder? If so, i'd like to
>>> do what i can to help make it happen!
>>>
>>> /walt
>>>
>>>
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