Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 10:45:59 -0400 From: Jan Schaumann <jscha...@netmeister.org> Message-ID: <20220815144559.go11...@netmeister.org>
| I think it's short-sighted and unfair to equate lack | of experience with idiocy. Then why did you jump to that conclusion? That is neither what I said, nor what I meant. There is no problem with inexperienced users, who are capable enough to know they are inexperienced (which of itself says very little) and who are willing to learn, and to recognise that learning means work. The best way for such users to become experienced, is by doing things, and that should start with the small things, of course, for which solutions can fairly easily be discovered. So, for example if the shell were to not start with line editing enabled (to borrow from one of the recent issues) a moron user with complain about how useless it is, and moan a lot, and that's about it. A user who is merely inexperienced will wonder why that is, and perhaps decide to have a look in the documentation for the shell, which will tell them that "set -E" (or set -o emacs) or set -V (or set -o vi) will enable it. Then they'd try that, and discover that it does work. Next would be how to make that happen automatically, so back to the man page to learn about the startup scripts that the shell runs. After this the user is a bit more experienced than they were, they feel they have accomplished something (and they have) and while looking for the answers to the immediate question, probably also came across other information they weren't aware of - they won't necessarily understand all of that, because of not having an immediate need, or reason to test it - but they will remember that they saw something about whatever when they do need that information. In this "man page" can be replaced by web searches, or various other mechanisms (including NetBSD intro documentation - some areas of which we probably need more of, but lack people willing to write it), | > In all of this we need to resist the temptation to argue for what works | > best for ourselves | | ...yet that appears to your basis of argument. Not at all - I could easily contribute my environmemt, in which lots of things "just work", but a user experiencing that would never have the motivation to find out how any of it works, or what can be altered to suit their own tastes. There's a proverb something about giving a fish vs teaching fishing that is probably relevant here. kre