I concur with what you say but I did upgrade 3 phones thus far and an very pleased with the result of N 95 and e7. Just some hiss on e5 but this is improved by reducing the volume though it is still there, not so irritating though. -original message- Subject: Re: [Talks] decided to go back From: Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> Date: 15/08/2011 2:06 pm
Well, it's a judgment call, but I've been using Talks since it was a beta in 2003, and I don't think the response is much different than previous releases of Talks. In fact, if you don't update Eloquence, it seems like most of the negative response has to do with specific features that weren't implemented or bugs that weren't fixed, which is pretty typical whenever a software application is updated. Just as with any product, I'm sure the list of bugs and features is more than enough to swamp the resources of the development team, so priorities have to be set, work has to be estimated and decisions have to be made. Obviously, not everyone is going to like every decision. For my part, I'm still happy with my old E71X, and after looking through the read me file for this release, I still haven't gotten around to updating my version of Talks. There isn't a lot here to compel me to upgrade, but I'm OK with that. The E71X is an older platform, and I don't have any major complaints. In looking at the read me file, I see that it says the following about the new version of Eloquence: . Eloquence 6.1.125: this version uses 16kHz audio output on all phones. This both improves compatibility (for example making speech during a call possible on Symbian^3 phones) and audio quality. In addition, this version fixes crashes seen with the US English version packaged in the previous TALKS releases. There are now two installation packages available for US English, one called Eloquence_enu_dct_6_1_125.sisx which contains an extended pronunciation dictionary, and one called Eloquence_enu_6_1_125.sisx without the dictionary, leading to somewhat higher speed and lower memory consumption. Granted, it sounds like Nuance made a mistake releasing this version of Eloquence, but the way I read it, unless you're using a Symbian^3 phone, or you're having problems with Eloquence crashing, there isn't much reason to move up to 6.1.125. Also, if you find you don't like this version of Eloquence, is there any reason you can't move back to version 6.1.123? I agree it would be nice if the developers had the time to answer every email and participate actively in this list, but Nuance has chose to invest two engineers (the last I knew) into Talks. If they had to spend their time responding to every email and participating actively in the list then we'd get even fewer features implemented and even fewer bugs fixed with each release. I'm convinced the Talks team knows about these issues. Everyone will have to make their own decision on whether to move to a new platform or not. I know I'm tempted for many reasons that others have expressed on this list. The good thing is that we have other choices. I remember when Talks was the only screen reader available on any smartphone platform, and I don't think Blackberry or Winndows Mobile accessibility was ever as good as what we're seeing with Talks or on the iPhone or Android platforms. I'm not saying we should be happy with our lot or that we shouldn't complain when we dont get what we want, but I also think we should refrane from exaggerating on how bad things are. On 15/08/11 00:09, Eleanor Burke wrote: > > I have been a user of Talks for over 3 years and must be on this list for 3 > years. At no other time of release of Talks upgrade has there been so much > disappointment and yet no response from a Talks dealer even. Neil who owns > and moderates the list has not even given any words of support by way of > assuring us that our disappointment has been reported back to Nuance. On one > occassion following a Talks upgrade there was a problem with a release, I > cannot recall the issue then but what I do recall is that within 24 hours > there was a new file available for us to download. Again I would appeal to > those who have influence with Nuance to at least put out some words to us > even just to say that our comments have been noted. Otherwise I fear a number > of Talks users will move to another platform. This would be very > disappointing. As a Talks user I would be very disappointed to have to stop > using this screen reader but if opponents provide better products then we > will have no option ot her than to move elsewhere. > -original message- > Subject: Re: [Talks] decided to go back > From: Denise Thompson <deni...@cox.net> > Date: 15/08/2011 5:31 am > > There are at least a couple of dealers on the list so maybe they can > get comments back to Nuance. It is sort of a helpless feeling though > because I've sent a number of messages to Monty Lillburn who is > working on Talks at Nuance and he's never even acknowledged getting > my messages. So I don't know if they even read messages sent to them > from users of the product. > Denise > > At 08:05 PM 8/14/2011, you wrote: >> The problem is who is here in this list listening to our comments on what >> was not working well and so on. If No one bothers to listen and jot what we >> bring out, then how can changes come? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dennis Long" <dennisl1...@gmail.com> >> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> >> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:22 AM >> Subject: Re: [Talks] decided to go back >> >> >> i to didnt think they did alot. the nokia internet radio stil repeats in >> search results and your favorites and the skype chat doesn't work not that i >> use it much. It's still the point though i think it should have had more >> things in it. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Denise Thompson" <deni...@cox.net> >> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 8:25 PM >> Subject: [Talks] decided to go back >> >> >>> Well I decided to go back to the previous version of talks and eloquence. >>> The latest version really had little effect on my e6 which was quite >>> disappointing. I would have thought Nuance would have tried harder to work >>> with symbian Anna. It did a couple of minor things, but I already had >>> figured out work arounds for those and some how it just didn't seem as >>> stable. So I uninstalled 5213 and put the previous Talks back on the >>> phone. And I'm not going to upgrade any of my other nokia phones. I really >>> just doesn't seem like there's much reason to. They work fine now so I'm >>> not going to bother. I hope when and if Nuance releases another update >>> they take care to make it a really good one. >>> Denise >>> >>> At 03:45 PM 8/14/2011, you wrote: >>>> Stephen, it's happening to me on an n82 with the latest firmware. >>>> Cheers >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: talks-boun...@talksusers.com [mailto:talks-boun...@talksusers.com] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of Stephen Giggar >>>> Sent: 13 August 2011 10:58 >>>> To: Talks Mailing List >>>> Subject: [Talks] Eloquence 6.1.125 issues! >>>> >>>> I know many people have reported a hissing sound when using Eloquence and >>>> or >>>> >>>> low volume and or a scratching sound. >>>> >>>> Can people provide what Eloquences these issues happen with along with >>>> what >>>> phones they are seeing it on. >>>> >>>> Example: When the hissing sound, scratching sound happens, when does it >>>> happen? Does it happen all the time? Does it only happen when the screen >>>> reader is reading something or when the screen reader is not speaking >>>> something? >>>> >>>> What languages are you seeing the issue with? Same goes for low volume >>>> with >>>> Eloquence? >>>> >>>> Basically any additional information of when any issues happen with >>>> Eloquence the more information provided will help the coders. >>>> >>>> Like I said, Dealers watch this list along with the makers of Talks. Some >>>> dealers comment on list while others do not. Most of the time, the Nuance >>>> staff don't comment on list but do watch the list from time to time. >>>> >>>> This is why I'm starting a new thread for Eloquence to help it stand out >>> >from the rest of the traffic on list. >>>> >>>> So only include Eloquence information in this thread. >>>> >>>> Signed: Stephen Giggar >>>> Skype: dr-phone. >>>> >>>> Hardware eventually fails, software eventually works. >>>> No amount of bandwidth can fix poor design. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talks mailing list >>>> Talks@talksusers.com >>>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>>> >>>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >>>> and >>>> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talks mailing list >>>> Talks@talksusers.com >>>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>>> >>>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >>>> and >>>> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talks mailing list >>> Talks@talksusers.com >>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>> >>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >>> and >>> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talks mailing list >> Talks@talksusers.com >> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >> >> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >> and >> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talks mailing list >> Talks@talksusers.com >> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >> >> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >> and >> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > Talks@talksusers.com > http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ > and > Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > Talks@talksusers.com > http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ > and > Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ -- Christopher (CJ) chalt...@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list Talks@talksusers.com http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list Talks@talksusers.com http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/
