AllanOK! Thanks for the additional information! This is the kind of information that helps about the home screen. This is basically what I was hoping you would post when I sent my initial reply at the start of this thread. The more information a person can give about a issue helps everyone in what to expect and whare the problem is. Just saying there is a problem doesn't really help anyone unless a person knows where to look for the issue. The last message you posted clearly tells a person where to expect to find the issue and how to get to it when using Talks. So in reading your message I can see how it differs on the home screen, it sounds like it has 3 pages of icons and not three home screens. At least that is how I read it. So you can home page 1 of 3 etc... Kind of like different tabs like in the Talks settings! But with more programs for each page. That is different then other Nokia phones. Again this information help explain what you whir talking about.
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To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [Talks] Talks 5.20.3 with Nokia N8
Stephen Giggar Wrote:On the Home screens! The N8 is not the only phone to have this ability to beable to switch between home screens. Being you said you are a dealer ofsmart phones? The E-Series like the E66, E71 etc... have this ability. Thesephones have been out much longer then the N8. So someone doesn't need a Symbian Power sign III phone to take advantage of that ability with the active standby home screens. Even on the E66 Talks didn't say what home screen was active each time you went back to the standby screen. You wouldnormally know this based on what applications you had set, at least that isthe way I did it.Stephen, let me clear my first intention before i wrote my original post. i just wanted to share my finding about some bug in n8 together with talks 5.20, this is not to start any arguement between us. ok, you mention about E66, E71 and etc have come with multiple homescreen, i do agree. but the new approach in N8 is totally different. in older phone, you will have 2 sets of homescreen being one is personal and another is for business, but for n8 and other S^3 phones, it has only one homescreen but you can have more than one page for the said homescreen. eatch page you can have 4 to 5 lines of shortcuts and each line you can have the maximum of 4 icons. for older phones, we can change all these homescreen setting via "menu>setting>general>personalization>homescreen" but for S^3 phones, you can setup all this icons just from the homescreen itself, there's a options button at the key1 position. the bug i am talking about is, once we press the options button and choose edit homescreen, talks 5.20 did not read anything at this point, and as blind person myself, i am not able to customize the homescreen by myself.A lot of things that are used on the 3rd and 5th edition phones also applyto the latest phones from Nokia. Some times, it jsut takes time to get use to a full touch screen phone if this is the first phone that you have ever owned that has a touch screen. The phone does work differently, and as the result of that, Talks is going to work differently on these phones. Yes Iown a touch screen phone and things work differently. Myself, I do not carefor touch screen phones, that is the reason I do not post from it. No the phone I own doesn't have a slide out keyboard. Yes the Nokia phones andTalks is going to work differently from the IPhone and will not be the same.This is to be expected beings the phone is different and the screen readeris a add on product. So if you are expecting the N8 with Talks to work like the IPhone, then you will be totally disapointed from a blind persons usageof this phone.no, the N8 is not my first touchscreen phone, i had used nokia 5800, nokia X6, iPhone 3GS and now nokia n8. i personally hate iPhonethat's why i sold it and bought this n8.again to mention, my first intention just to share what i found in N8 together with talks 5.20, but dont no it is come to thisstate, i am confuse... Signed: Stephen Giggar Skype: dr-phone. Hardware eventually fails, software eventually works. No amount of bandwidth can fix poor design. -- Allan (WKF)----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan" <em...@nextg.my>To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [Talks] Talks 5.20.3 with Nokia N8Stephen Giggar wrote:The issue with having to mute Talks when going through the ring tones inthe profiles is probably a phone issue and priority settings for the App. Specific settings with Talks. More then likely there is a reason it is set like this on the N8. Probably youwould totally lose speech if the priority was set to something different.Rmember this is controled in the App. specific Settings.I dont touch anything in app. specific setting at all, it is by default talks installation. furthermore, when i muted talks, the ringtones played.I'm not for sure what you are talking about when you say switching between the home screens and what you are expecting. Are you saying in the program to switch between the home screens the options aren't read? Or are you saying when you finally switch to the home screen of your selection that information isn't read each and every time you exit the menu?forgive my words, you are not sure is just because you dont have experience with a ^3 device. let me tell you, by default, in S^3phones, there're 3 homescreen for keeping shortcuts unlike the old S60 3rdand 5th edition phones only have one homescreen at a time. for this case, there's a special middle button appear on the screen for swiching between these 3 homescreens. so, for a sighted, they can see the screen changes when pressing this button, but for talks user, you wouldn't realize the screen changes from one page to another page.For getting the time, don't you get the Talks selection when you press the Talks key? This bring up a list of many different things. Also isn't the time there when you explore the screen IE if you just slide your finger around the sreen? Probably is near the top of the screen. In that case, you don't need a keystroke, after all it is a touch screen phone!1. this features appear in 5th edition phones, but missing in S^3. 2. yes, you can get the time while exploring the screen, but not date.3. it is a very big trouble for someone to get a time/date announcement ifeach time have to unlock the phone and only touch the screen to get the announcement.The number 5 for the Talks power key options, that doesn't sound like a bug but a suggestion.For the last one, did you try changing some of the Talks settings like turning off the characters and setting it to speech numbers as digits?that is why i said you dont have experience with S^3 phones. if you have experience with iPhone, you will understand what i mean here. when exploring the screen while the numbering virtual keypad is open, last time, talks will only announce the number corresponding to what you touch, but for now, talks will also announce together with the alpha character as i rote below. Signed: Stephen Giggar Skype: dr-phone. Hardware eventually fails, software eventually works. No amount of bandwidth can fix poor design. -- Allan (WKF)----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan" <em...@nextg.my>To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 6:26 PM Subject: [Talks] Talks 5.20.3 with Nokia N8Hi all, perhaps not many of you interested to use touchscreen phone, but i know there're people love to use it, especially myself. here i going to share a little bug finding regarding talks 5.2 work together with nokia n8.1. profile: must mute talks to hear the ringtones while arrowing the listof tones when use eloquence symthesizer. 2. homescreen: talks does not announce whether it is homescreen1, homescreen2 or homescreen3 while switching between these 3 homescreens.3. homescreen: must ask for a sighted assistant when need to customize oredit application shortcut at the homescreen. 4. talks keystroke: there's no keystroke to read date/time, or perhaps i didnt find it. 5. talks keystroke: it is too clumsy to press talks+power to answer/call and talks+longPower for hang off calls, because the power button too small. it'd be better if it is talks+camera and talks+longCamera respectively. 6. virtual keyboard: while dialing a number on the virtual keyboard, talks now read the alpha related to key number 2 until number 9, e.g. 2abc, 3def, 4ghi, 5jkl, and etc. but i think it would be better if talks can read like this: 2ABC 3DEF 4GHI 5JKL 6MNO 7PQRS 8TUV 9WXYZ rather than: 2abc 3def 4ghi 5jkl 6mno 7pqrs 8tuv 9wxyz it's sounded funny to me. that's all for now. if i found any bugs or problems, i will post again. -- Allan (WKF)_______________________________________________ Talks mailing list Talks@talksusers.com http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ andTalknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/
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