Stephen Giggar Wrote:
> On the Home screens! The N8 is not the only phone to have this
ability to be
able to switch between home screens. Being you said you are a dealer of
smart phones? The E-Series like the E66, E71 etc... have this ability. These
phones have been out much longer then the N8. So someone doesn't need a
Symbian Power sign III phone to take advantage of that ability with the
active standby home screens. Even on the E66 Talks didn't say what home
screen was active each time you went back to the standby screen. You would
normally know this based on what applications you had set, at least that is
the way I did it.
Stephen, let me clear my first intention before i wrote my original
post. i just wanted to share my finding about some bug in n8
together with talks 5.20, this is not to start any arguement between
us. ok, you mention about E66, E71 and etc have come with
multiple homescreen, i do agree. but the new approach in N8 is
totally different. in older phone, you will have 2 sets of homescreen
being one is personal and another is for business, but for n8 and
other S^3 phones, it has only one homescreen but you can have more
than one page for the said homescreen. eatch page you can have 4 to
5 lines of shortcuts and each line you can have the maximum of 4
icons. for older phones, we can change all these homescreen setting
via "menu>setting>general>personalization>homescreen" but for
S^3 phones, you can setup all this icons just from the homescreen
itself, there's a options button at the key1 position. the bug i
am talking about is, once we press the options button and choose
edit homescreen, talks 5.20 did not read anything at this point,
and as blind person myself, i am not able to customize the
homescreen by myself.
> A lot of things that are used on the 3rd and 5th edition phones also apply
to the latest phones from Nokia. Some times, it jsut takes time to get use
to a full touch screen phone if this is the first phone that you have ever
owned that has a touch screen. The phone does work differently, and as the
result of that, Talks is going to work differently on these phones. Yes I
own a touch screen phone and things work differently. Myself, I do not care
for touch screen phones, that is the reason I do not post from it. No the
phone I own doesn't have a slide out keyboard. Yes the Nokia phones and
Talks is going to work differently from the IPhone and will not be the same.
This is to be expected beings the phone is different and the screen reader
is a add on product. So if you are expecting the N8 with Talks to work like
the IPhone, then you will be totally disapointed from a blind persons usage
of this phone.
no, the N8 is not my first touchscreen phone, i had used nokia 5800,
nokia X6, iPhone 3GS and now nokia n8. i personally hate iPhone
that's why i sold it and bought this n8.
again to mention, my first intention just to share what i found in
N8 together with talks 5.20, but dont no it is come to this
state, i am confuse...
Signed: Stephen Giggar
Skype: dr-phone.
Hardware eventually fails, software eventually works.
No amount of bandwidth can fix poor design.
--
Allan (WKF)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allan" <em...@nextg.my>
To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Talks] Talks 5.20.3 with Nokia N8
> Stephen Giggar wrote:
>> The issue with having to mute Talks when going through the ring tones in
>> the profiles is probably a phone issue and priority
>> settings for the App. Specific settings with Talks. More then likely
>> there is a reason it is set like this on the N8. Probably you
>> would totally lose speech if the priority was set to something different.
>> Rmember this is controled in the App. specific Settings.
>
> I dont touch anything in app. specific setting at all, it is by default
> talks installation. furthermore, when i muted talks, the
> ringtones played.
>
>> I'm not for sure what you are talking about when you say switching
>> between the home screens and what you are expecting. Are you
>> saying in the program to switch between the home screens the options
>> aren't read? Or are you saying when you finally switch to the
>> home screen of your selection that information isn't read each and every
>> time you exit the menu?
>
> forgive my words, you are not sure is just because you dont have
> experience with a ^3 device. let me tell you, by default, in S^3
> phones, there're 3 homescreen for keeping shortcuts unlike the old S60 3rd
> and 5th edition phones only have one homescreen at a
> time. for this case, there's a special middle button appear on the screen
> for swiching between these 3 homescreens. so, for a
> sighted, they can see the screen changes when pressing this button, but
> for talks user, you wouldn't realize the screen changes from
> one page to another page.
>
>> For getting the time, don't you get the Talks selection when you press
>> the Talks key? This bring up a list of many different
>> things. Also isn't the time there when you explore the screen IE if you
>> just slide your finger around the sreen? Probably is near
>> the top of the screen. In that case, you don't need a keystroke, after
>> all it is a touch screen phone!
>
> 1. this features appear in 5th edition phones, but missing in S^3.
> 2. yes, you can get the time while exploring the screen, but not date.
> 3. it is a very big trouble for someone to get a time/date announcement if
> each time have to unlock the phone and only touch the
> screen to get the announcement.
>
>> The number 5 for the Talks power key options, that doesn't sound like a
>> bug but a suggestion.
>
>> For the last one, did you try changing some of the Talks settings like
>> turning off the characters and setting it to speech numbers
>> as digits?
>
> that is why i said you dont have experience with S^3 phones. if you have
> experience with iPhone, you will understand what i mean
> here. when exploring the screen while the numbering virtual keypad is
> open, last time, talks will only announce the number
> corresponding to what you touch, but for now, talks will also announce
> together with the alpha character as i rote below.
>
>
>
> Signed: Stephen Giggar
> Skype: dr-phone.
>
> Hardware eventually fails, software eventually works.
> No amount of bandwidth can fix poor design.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Allan (WKF)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allan" <em...@nextg.my>
> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 6:26 PM
> Subject: [Talks] Talks 5.20.3 with Nokia N8
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> perhaps not many of you interested to use touchscreen phone, but i know
>> there're people love to use it, especially myself. here i
>> going to share a little bug finding regarding talks 5.2 work together
>> with
>> nokia n8.
>>
>> 1. profile: must mute talks to hear the ringtones while arrowing the list
>> of tones when use eloquence symthesizer.
>>
>> 2. homescreen: talks does not announce whether it is homescreen1,
>> homescreen2 or homescreen3 while switching between these 3
>> homescreens.
>>
>> 3. homescreen: must ask for a sighted assistant when need to customize or
>> edit application shortcut at the homescreen.
>>
>> 4. talks keystroke: there's no keystroke to read date/time, or perhaps i
>> didnt find it.
>>
>> 5. talks keystroke: it is too clumsy to press talks+power to answer/call
>> and talks+longPower for hang off calls, because the power
>> button too small. it'd be better if it is talks+camera and
>> talks+longCamera respectively.
>>
>> 6. virtual keyboard: while dialing a number on the virtual keyboard,
>> talks
>> now read the alpha related to key number 2 until number
>> 9, e.g. 2abc, 3def, 4ghi, 5jkl, and etc. but i think it would be better
>> if
>> talks can read like this:
>>
>> 2ABC
>> 3DEF
>> 4GHI
>> 5JKL
>> 6MNO
>> 7PQRS
>> 8TUV
>> 9WXYZ
>>
>> rather than:
>>
>> 2abc
>> 3def
>> 4ghi
>> 5jkl
>> 6mno
>> 7pqrs
>> 8tuv
>> 9wxyz
>>
>> it's sounded funny to me.
>>
>> that's all for now. if i found any bugs or problems, i will post again.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Allan (WKF)
>>
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