I agree. Reading the mailing list discussion, there have been neutral and opposing opinions about going up from unclassified, at least on the changeset in question. I don´t understand how tertiary is the middle ground now.
Plus, other mappers that have commented in the changeset stating the same. Sadly, there are so few editions in Antarctica that mappers rarely follow up their editions there, but from what I have gathered in conversations with other LATAM mappers, nobody is agreeing with the tertiary+ categories. I approve going back to unclassified and revert some of the changes in the wiki regarding this topic, as stated by Matheusz, which were made by FT himself. What really concerns me is that a single mapper can really change, without any warning and while modifying the wiki itself, editions from two on the predominant communities (ARG and CHL) in those islands (not stating that those countries own the islands), and when his views are questioned, he switches to the international mailing list without inviting any of the interested mappers or communities in case something is approved. regards -------------------------------------- Felipe Edwards Cerda On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 7:39 PM Juan Pablo Tolosa Sanzana < jptolosanz...@outlook.cl> wrote: > I do not understand how is estimated a median point between unclassified > and tertiary values. Chilean community has shown opposition to upgrade from > unclassified to tertiary the access to Villa Las Estrellas/Frei base. The > Argentine community has not spoken in this mailing list, but those I have > consulted there is opposition to using tertiary in Argentine bases Marambio > and Esperanza/Fortín Sargento Cabral. Although Antarctica is an > international space I guess should take account the opinion of local > communities where respective countries operate. > > All of them were tagged as highway=unclassified/residential before your > editions one year ago. > ------------------------------ > *De:* Fernando Trebien <fernando.treb...@gmail.com> > *Enviado:* viernes, 26 de abril de 2024 11:03 > *Para:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > *Asunto:* Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica > > A possible revised assignment taking the medians of different opinions > case by case: > > South Pole Traverse: secondary (or maybe primary) > The other 4 traverses: tertiary > Ground routes between major stations, airports and harbours: tertiary > Main ways within stations: unclassified > > At McMurdo, Main Street, The Gap, Williams Field Road and Phoenix Road > would become tertiary, and all other current tertiaries would be > demoted to unclassified. > > Are there any objections to this change? This will affect 130 ways. > > I forgot to mention that the Route du Raid was highway=secondary from > 2018 to 2023 [1] and that the South Pole Traverse was > highway=unclassified from 2012 to 2020 and highway=primary since then, > with three different mappers trying to change it to highway=trunk. [2] > For two years, Route du Raid was mapped as more important than the > South Pole Traverse. > > [1] > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fway%2F187792382%2Fhistory&data=05%7C02%7C%7C33691d553b0649c332fd08dc660307e4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638497410409763397%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hRBq0xDCkzSuU2J79MklZ2G47ndFNkEUzL8s%2ByQJq44%3D&reserved=0 > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/187792382/history> > [2] > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fway%2F124904767%2Fhistory&data=05%7C02%7C%7C33691d553b0649c332fd08dc660307e4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638497410409777300%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Xzzr%2B9AdOf8usJ1fFfY2Mlj7Dr6n341mbxodmvQ49Uk%3D&reserved=0 > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/124904767/history> > > On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 11:27, Fernando Trebien > <fernando.treb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > As Antarctica is international space,[1] I understand that, in > > principle, the highway classification scheme of no particular country > > applies there. For a while, I tried to come up with a balanced generic > > scheme based on the regional importance of these roads,[2] which has > > been questioned,[3] so I would like to hear opinions on the matter. > > > > Should the classification of highways in Antarctica: > > > > 1. Follow country-specific conventions near stations? This can lead to > > different classifications for long polar traverses maintained by > > different countries and can create disconnected road networks (in > > terms of classification) between nearby stations operated by different > > countries. > > > > 2. Follow generic OSM definitions based on absolute population > > thresholds of the places they connect? (10k+ people for town, 1k for > > village, 100 for hamlet, etc.) This will assign very low road classes > > across the continent. > > > > 3. Follow generic OSM definitions based on lower place population > > thresholds that are more compatible with the reality of the continent, > > based on regional importance? [4] The result may be perceived by some > > as assigning higher than normal highway classes to the connections > > between these small settlements. > > > > Additionally, should the permanent population be considered (zero in > > most cases, which is the case even for larger stations, further > > lowering highway classification), or the average occupancy of the > > stations? > > > > Regards, > > > > [1] > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAntarctic_Treaty_System&data=05%7C02%7C%7C33691d553b0649c332fd08dc660307e4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638497410409786003%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=J2h9x1YEpzn1cDBmoXkvs955JWijSDKybowYjdZ1%2F8w%3D&reserved=0 > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System> > > [2] > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FAntarctica%2FTagging%23Roads_and_routes&data=05%7C02%7C%7C33691d553b0649c332fd08dc660307e4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638497410409793200%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Vms%2BfR4L1NoKbS4i2dmn5y%2FcNkI7AjLsCV5lQYbiFSM%3D&reserved=0 > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Antarctica/Tagging#Roads_and_routes> > > [3] > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fchangeset%2F150316868&data=05%7C02%7C%7C33691d553b0649c332fd08dc660307e4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638497410409798975%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=CEk3U42xZCNI6rLI8LmUxtKg1tqYtXZfJ96wd5mTzHc%3D&reserved=0 > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/150316868> > > [4] > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FKey%3Ahighway%23Assumptions&data=05%7C02%7C%7C33691d553b0649c332fd08dc660307e4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638497410409803038%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=C67EvoMAu4lLlm0zUynI3KbzOzrWQ9EWA2mrCQXnQdU%3D&reserved=0 > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway#Assumptions> > > > > -- > > Fernando Trebien > > > > -- > Fernando Trebien > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.openstreetmap.org%2Flistinfo%2Ftagging&data=05%7C02%7C%7C33691d553b0649c332fd08dc660307e4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638497410409806949%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7tJBnUY9vyTOW5Cht%2BjUVjfSu%2Fy65nlGVmymbqLOtO8%3D&reserved=0 > <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging> > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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