Hey Alex,

First of all, I didn't consult the community for this project, I just
wanted to get it rolling. We pondered a long time about how to measure
for our local situation, not about what would be the most appropriate
tag for use worldwide. Sorry for that and again, if in these discussions
a better consensus pops up, I'll retag.

I included parking lane width, as in some cases there are no lines on
the ground indicating where the parking lane begins. We just have a
traffic sign indicating that parking is allowed. As a result, the area
available for traffic can vary when a very small car or very wide car is
parked - the main reason we went with a curb-to-curb distance -
including parking-lanes.

The actual width available for traffic is then calculated based on OSM
data. Can cars go in one or two directions? Can bicycles go in one or
two directions? Are sidewalks present?

I understand that 'width:carriageway' is confused with the room
available for traffic. On the other hand, parked cars are a 'carriage'
as well ;)
Furhtermore, in my opinion, saving a 'width:traffic_area' directly into
OSM is unnecessary (as an indicative value can be calculated from the
other, more objective properties) and is even a bit subjective and prone
to change (e.g. due parked cars). Did you know that the avarage car has
gotten ~30cm wider since 1960? This means that the calculation of
'traffic_area' should be changed every few years.

Also keep in mind that in the city center of Bruges, where we did those
measurements, we don't have the 'half-on-curb' rules and have only a few
perpendicular/diagonal parking lanes (which I conveniently ignored).

Anyway, I'm not planning on getting too involved in this discussion (I
have other things to do). However, Alex, I would propose to turn around
your logic: not to map the traffic area, but to map 'width:carriageway'
as 'curb-to-curb' distance, and mapping the 'parking:lane:left:width'
and 'parking:lane:right:width'-values. If the parking lane doesn't have
lines (and thus the width isn't well defined), software can choose a
sensible default for the region. This would also work for
'half-on-kerb': if there is a line, one can use the line to determine
the width. If not, software can use a sensible default.

The drawback of this scheme is that software which wants to work with
this data should be somewhat complicated right from the start.

-- 
Met vriendelijke groeten,
Pieter Vander Vennet

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