On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:06 AM Jmapb <jm...@gmx.com> wrote:

> On 5/12/2020 10:58 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:37 PM brad <bradha...@fastmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, but it seems redundant to me.   A trail/path get tagged as a path.
>> There's a trailhead and a sign, it gets a tagged with a name.   Why does
>> it need to be a route also?
>>
>
> Same reason all 0.11 miles of I 95 in Washington DC is part of a route.
> It's part of a route.
>
> Yes but that's *part* of a route, a route relation with many other
> members. Brad's asking about single-member route relations.
>
And so is that 50-51 segment in the Dutch cycle network. Even if it's  a
particularly short one.

> Finally there's the issue of software and rendering support. Waymarked
> Trails, as Kevin mentioned, only supports route relations. I believe other
> hiking map renderers work similarly. Of course this is not how OSM is
> "supposed" to work -- structuring data for a particular renderer or
> software -- but nonetheless it is a factor in how people map.
>
We've had relations for over a decade now, IIRC.  It's time to stop
treating this basic primitive as entity-non-grata.  If tools *still* can't
deal with this, this is on the tools and their developers now.
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