On 13/4/20 9:28 pm, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
Ok, I do agree that "healthcare=department" or perhaps
"healthcare=hospital_department" would make sense for an inpatient
department within a larger hospital, since that is certainly not an
amenity=clinic (which are outpatient facilities).
It would not be a good idea to use a totally new key like
"department=" on a feature like this which could be mapped as an area,
since this will be difficult for database users, and because it would
be ambiguous if "healthcare" or similar is not included in the tag.
It would be a good idea if the tag/s developed here could be used with other
things that have 'departments' such as universities.
Hence my suggestion of 'department', as a key it is used some 799 times ..
fairly good for something that is not well documented.
See
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Duniversity#Faculties_and_departments
This would make sense for hospitals which have a whole "wing" or
separate building devoted to the surgical service, or obstetrics
(labor and delivery), or a pediatric department which is not a
separate hospital, or a special psychiatric ward, and so on.
I don't see the necessity for a 'whole wing'. I would think that they typically
would have a defined area, however big or small it is.
For the original poster, it depends whether these HIV centres are
outpatient-only, in which case amenity=clinic is fine. If they admit
inpatients into a special part of the hospital, then a new tag like
healthcare=department / hospital_department is a good idea.
-- Joseph Eisenberg
On 4/13/20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 13/4/20 7:27 pm, Rory McCann wrote:
I think this is a case of “Things within other things”. How do we map
that? For the enclosing hospital, we know how to map that. But how do
we map individual parts within it?
Similar to universities?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=university#Faculties_and_departments
I'd use "department=*" as a subtag ... ???
I'd have to look at a university example where the departments location
was mapped with its details there.
e.g. St. James' Hospital in Dublin (OSM:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32015912 ), the hospital has it's
own phone number, `website` etc. Within that is a HIV (& STI) clinic
http://guideclinic.ie/ It has it's own website, and a specific
location. How should that be tagged?
Beumount Hospital ( https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/22634348 ) has
is mapped and tagged. The Infection Disease service (
http://www.beaumont.ie/index.jsp?p=105&n=227 ) is “located on the
ground floor in St Johns ward”, and has a phone number & email
address. How can we map this?
OSM could do much better for indoor mapping, and for shopping centres
or train stations, that's easy. Add each `shop` or corridor. But what
about a (sorta of) clinic within a larger OSM object?
2 separate things.
Subtag the main facility with the capabilities that exist.
and/or
Map the locations of the individual departments with their capabilities
etc.
On 13.04.20 10:48, Mikko Tamura wrote:
Thank you for the wonderful insights. Currently, what we are tagging
is the hospital. So for example, Manila Hospital (tagged as a
hospital) we add the tags like disease:hiv=yes. say that it is a
treatment facility and it dispenses hiv medicine. But what i am
having difficulty is that hiv facility is treated like a department.
You can put in the email address and contact details of the hospital
but if I add the contact details of the Hiv facility it then gets
mixed with the hospital details.
In this case A hospital can have a clinic specifically for HIV, and a
clinic can also have a small office for HIV patients (not
specifically another clinic).
Thanks Joseph and Warin most. of the cases are really similar here.
For treatment hubs - yes this is for inpatients similarly for the one
you described. This is are mostly hospitals but in some cases
clinics. My problem here is that a big hospital has alot of contact
details for the hospital so the information and contact details for
the hiv treatment facility are mixed.
For hiv care - yes it is a bit of all a combination. I cant tagged it
as a pharmacy as it only releases specific anti-retroviral drugs.
Currently We are using this tagging system as assisted by the local
OSM community in the Philippines.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HIV_Facilities_Tagging_(MapBeks)
But I feel the feature gets overshadowed by the
hospital/clinic/social facility/office tag. Your thoughts would be
very helpful.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:58 PM Joseph Eisenberg
<joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Treatment hubs (in patient + dispensaries+ testing):
Are you sure you mean "inpatient?" An "inpatient" facility, in
American English, is a hospital which has beds where patients are
cared for overnight.
This would be mapped as amenity=hospital for the main feature, most
likely.
> primary hiv care (dispensaries+testing)
You don't mention care by a nurse or physician, but I assume this is
an amenity=clinic (with physicians and nurses) which also has an
amenity=pharmacy in the same building. There might also be a
healthcare=laboratory at the location.
> testing centers/clinics (testing only)
Is this a doctor's office, or is there just a nurse, or just a
laboratory technician who can draw blood for the test? If there is a
doctor, it might be an amenity=doctors. If there is just a
laboratory
for testing, that would be a healthcare=laboratory facility.
For the speciality, it's possible to use something like
healthcare:speciality=hiv if that's the only thing that the clinic
treats.
But here in Indonesia and back in the USA most clinics that treat
HIV
also offer treatment for other infectious conditions, so a
different
specialty like healthcare:speciality=infectious_diseases would
usually
be more correct.
I see that in the Phillipines the tag "disease:hiv=yes" has been
used:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/disease%3Ahiv#map
In Indonesia and the USA you can get an HIV test at just about any
healthcare=laboratory and larger clinics and all hospitals. But
if you
can only get this done at some specialized places in the
Phillipines,
you could consider adding a tag like "hiv_testing=yes/no" for
clinics,
doctor's offices, and laboratories.
Similarly, in the USA it's normal to be able to get hiv medications
from standard pharmacies. But if they are only available from a few
pharmacies in your country, you could add a tag like
"hiv_medication=yes/no" to an "amenity=pharmacy" facility.
It looks like "medical_service:antiretroviral_therapy=yes" has been
used in combination. That seems overlong and complex, so it
would not
have been my first choice:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/medical_service%3Aantiretroviral_therapy
-- Joseph Eisenberg
On 4/13/20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
<mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> At present there is the key healtcare.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:healthcare
>
> Some initial thoughts?
>
> healthcare:specialty=HIV_testing
>
> healthcare:specialty=HIV_treatment
>
> HIV dispensary ... would be a pharmacy?
>
> amenity
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity>=pharmacy and
> dispensing
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:dispensing>=HIV
>
> ???Hopefully there will be better ideas.
>
> On 13/4/20 4:32 pm, Mikko Tamura wrote:
>> Good day, fellow OSM tagging experts. I would like to ask
assistance
>> in creating a tag for HIV facilities. We have created a tagging
system
>> for hiv facilities here in the Philippines but it seems to be
too
>> extensive. We would like it to be more simple. I hope you can
help me
>> with it. I am reading the wiki page and Im having a
challenging time
>> doing it.
>>
>> Some background: We have 3 types of HIV facilities/clinics.
Treatment
>> hubs (in patient + dispensaries+ testing), primary hiv care
>> (dispensaries+testing) and testing centers/clinics (testing
only). We
>> have started tagging hospitals which have this features and
honestly I
>> am guessing this would eventually get mixed up with the other
tagging
>> like the contact number of the hospital, etc. Hopefully, we can
>> represent it with a node with basic details specifically for
that
>> clinic/department.
>>
>> Hope someone can guide us and thank you in advance.
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