Ok, I do agree that "healthcare=department" or perhaps "healthcare=hospital_department" would make sense for an inpatient department within a larger hospital, since that is certainly not an amenity=clinic (which are outpatient facilities).
It would not be a good idea to use a totally new key like "department=" on a feature like this which could be mapped as an area, since this will be difficult for database users, and because it would be ambiguous if "healthcare" or similar is not included in the tag. This would make sense for hospitals which have a whole "wing" or separate building devoted to the surgical service, or obstetrics (labor and delivery), or a pediatric department which is not a separate hospital, or a special psychiatric ward, and so on. For the original poster, it depends whether these HIV centres are outpatient-only, in which case amenity=clinic is fine. If they admit inpatients into a special part of the hospital, then a new tag like healthcare=department / hospital_department is a good idea. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/13/20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 13/4/20 7:27 pm, Rory McCann wrote: >> I think this is a case of “Things within other things”. How do we map >> that? For the enclosing hospital, we know how to map that. But how do >> we map individual parts within it? > > > Similar to universities? > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=university#Faculties_and_departments > > I'd use "department=*" as a subtag ... ??? > > > I'd have to look at a university example where the departments location > was mapped with its details there. > >> >> e.g. St. James' Hospital in Dublin (OSM: >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32015912 ), the hospital has it's >> own phone number, `website` etc. Within that is a HIV (& STI) clinic >> http://guideclinic.ie/ It has it's own website, and a specific >> location. How should that be tagged? >> >> Beumount Hospital ( https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/22634348 ) has >> is mapped and tagged. The Infection Disease service ( >> http://www.beaumont.ie/index.jsp?p=105&n=227 ) is “located on the >> ground floor in St Johns ward”, and has a phone number & email >> address. How can we map this? >> >> OSM could do much better for indoor mapping, and for shopping centres >> or train stations, that's easy. Add each `shop` or corridor. But what >> about a (sorta of) clinic within a larger OSM object? > > > 2 separate things. > > Subtag the main facility with the capabilities that exist. > > > and/or > > > Map the locations of the individual departments with their capabilities > etc. > > > >> >> On 13.04.20 10:48, Mikko Tamura wrote: >>> Thank you for the wonderful insights. Currently, what we are tagging >>> is the hospital. So for example, Manila Hospital (tagged as a >>> hospital) we add the tags like disease:hiv=yes. say that it is a >>> treatment facility and it dispenses hiv medicine. But what i am >>> having difficulty is that hiv facility is treated like a department. >>> You can put in the email address and contact details of the hospital >>> but if I add the contact details of the Hiv facility it then gets >>> mixed with the hospital details. >>> In this case A hospital can have a clinic specifically for HIV, and a >>> clinic can also have a small office for HIV patients (not >>> specifically another clinic). >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks Joseph and Warin most. of the cases are really similar here. >>> >>> For treatment hubs - yes this is for inpatients similarly for the one >>> you described. This is are mostly hospitals but in some cases >>> clinics. My problem here is that a big hospital has alot of contact >>> details for the hospital so the information and contact details for >>> the hiv treatment facility are mixed. >>> >>> For hiv care - yes it is a bit of all a combination. I cant tagged it >>> as a pharmacy as it only releases specific anti-retroviral drugs. >>> >>> Currently We are using this tagging system as assisted by the local >>> OSM community in the Philippines. >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HIV_Facilities_Tagging_(MapBeks) >>> >>> But I feel the feature gets overshadowed by the >>> hospital/clinic/social facility/office tag. Your thoughts would be >>> very helpful. >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:58 PM Joseph Eisenberg >>> <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> > Treatment hubs (in patient + dispensaries+ testing): >>> >>> Are you sure you mean "inpatient?" An "inpatient" facility, in >>> American English, is a hospital which has beds where patients are >>> cared for overnight. >>> >>> This would be mapped as amenity=hospital for the main feature, most >>> likely. >>> >>> > primary hiv care (dispensaries+testing) >>> >>> You don't mention care by a nurse or physician, but I assume this is >>> an amenity=clinic (with physicians and nurses) which also has an >>> amenity=pharmacy in the same building. There might also be a >>> healthcare=laboratory at the location. >>> >>> > testing centers/clinics (testing only) >>> >>> Is this a doctor's office, or is there just a nurse, or just a >>> laboratory technician who can draw blood for the test? If there is a >>> doctor, it might be an amenity=doctors. If there is just a >>> laboratory >>> for testing, that would be a healthcare=laboratory facility. >>> >>> For the speciality, it's possible to use something like >>> healthcare:speciality=hiv if that's the only thing that the clinic >>> treats. >>> >>> But here in Indonesia and back in the USA most clinics that treat >>> HIV >>> also offer treatment for other infectious conditions, so a >>> different >>> specialty like healthcare:speciality=infectious_diseases would >>> usually >>> be more correct. >>> >>> I see that in the Phillipines the tag "disease:hiv=yes" has been >>> used: >>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/disease%3Ahiv#map >>> >>> In Indonesia and the USA you can get an HIV test at just about any >>> healthcare=laboratory and larger clinics and all hospitals. But >>> if you >>> can only get this done at some specialized places in the >>> Phillipines, >>> you could consider adding a tag like "hiv_testing=yes/no" for >>> clinics, >>> doctor's offices, and laboratories. >>> >>> Similarly, in the USA it's normal to be able to get hiv medications >>> from standard pharmacies. But if they are only available from a few >>> pharmacies in your country, you could add a tag like >>> "hiv_medication=yes/no" to an "amenity=pharmacy" facility. >>> >>> It looks like "medical_service:antiretroviral_therapy=yes" has been >>> used in combination. That seems overlong and complex, so it >>> would not >>> have been my first choice: >>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/medical_service%3Aantiretroviral_therapy >>> >>> -- Joseph Eisenberg >>> >>> On 4/13/20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> > At present there is the key healtcare. >>> > >>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:healthcare >>> > >>> > Some initial thoughts? >>> > >>> > healthcare:specialty=HIV_testing >>> > >>> > healthcare:specialty=HIV_treatment >>> > >>> > HIV dispensary ... would be a pharmacy? >>> > >>> > amenity >>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity>=pharmacy and >>> > dispensing >>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:dispensing>=HIV >>> > >>> > ???Hopefully there will be better ideas. >>> > >>> > On 13/4/20 4:32 pm, Mikko Tamura wrote: >>> >> Good day, fellow OSM tagging experts. I would like to ask >>> assistance >>> >> in creating a tag for HIV facilities. We have created a tagging >>> system >>> >> for hiv facilities here in the Philippines but it seems to be >>> too >>> >> extensive. We would like it to be more simple. I hope you can >>> help me >>> >> with it. I am reading the wiki page and Im having a >>> challenging time >>> >> doing it. >>> >> >>> >> Some background: We have 3 types of HIV facilities/clinics. >>> Treatment >>> >> hubs (in patient + dispensaries+ testing), primary hiv care >>> >> (dispensaries+testing) and testing centers/clinics (testing >>> only). We >>> >> have started tagging hospitals which have this features and >>> honestly I >>> >> am guessing this would eventually get mixed up with the other >>> tagging >>> >> like the contact number of the hospital, etc. Hopefully, we can >>> >> represent it with a node with basic details specifically for >>> that >>> >> clinic/department. >>> >> >>> >> Hope someone can guide us and thank you in advance. >>> >> -- >>> >> * >>> >> * >>> >> * >>> >> * >>> >> *MIKKO L. 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