Like Dave, I am not sure that I see a huge issue with a name and a reference duplicating each other (or at least overlapping). Names and References are essentially doing the same job; they identify "things"; they are proper nouns. We probably expect a name to be a word (or words) and a reference to be an alphanumeric string that is not a word (or words), but that is not always the case. That big mountain is called "K2"; that is its name. Clearly, there are many cases where name and reference are different and are both required - e.g.Name: Watling Street; Ref: A5. (Mind you, perhaps "A5" should be the name of a route relation, which includes a stretch of road called "Watling Street", so that may be a poor example) In other cases names may include words and numbers (e.g. I don't think that National Cycle Network Route 51 has any other name). One could then say that "NCN 51" is an abbreviated name and not a reference. AFAIK, there is not an accepted tag for an abbreviated name, so (I assume) mappers have used the ref= tag for this (after all it looks like a reference), which gives us: name=National Cycle Network Route 51; ref=NCN 51. Is that really a problem? Peter
>Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 20:28:30 +0000 >From: Dave F <davefoxfa...@btinternet.com> >To: tagging@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names >Message-ID: <a20fbd9f-9564-c2fc-786a-be774a72e...@btinternet.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" >>On 28/03/2020 18:18, Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> Hello folks, >> >> Route relation names aren’t in a great state, are they? >> >> Let’s say that I want to render cycle route names on a map (because, well, I >> do). I zoom in on a way along the East Coast of Britain and I find it’s a >> member of this route: >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9579 >> name=NCN National Route 1 >> >> Hm, ok. That’s not the name of the route, it’s a duplication of the ref (and >> network) ><scratches head> >I'm not sure I'm seeing the problem. What /is/ the "actual" name for UK >cycle routes? >NCN 4 is named as National Cycle Network Route 4 as that's what Sustran >call it. >I'm not convinced names & refs *have* to be mutually exclusive. >DaveF
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