On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:09 AM Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:51 AM Jarek Piórkowski <ja...@piorkowski.ca> > wrote: > > > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 09:38, Rob Savoye <r...@senecass.com> wrote: > > > On 1/30/20 2:08 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > > > "County Road 12" is a ref. It is not a name. People often refer to > roads by > > > > their ref. That's fine. I will say "I'm taking the A3400 to > Stratford" > > > > > > I'm wondering if "CR 12" or "County Road 12" (the abbreviation > > > expanded) was the proper value for a ref. If the abbreviation is fine > > > for the ref, should it then have a name that is expanded ? The wiki > > > isn't clear. > > > > One solution I've seen advanced is that the ref in that case is just > > 12. But that rather raises more new questions than it answers, because > > while no one says "I'm going to take the Highways England A3400" or > > "the British A3400", people do say "I'm going to take County Road > > 12"... > > What I do: > > (1) The `name=*` field gets the road's actual name. If the road's only > name is 'County Route 12' (New York consistently uses 'Route' rather > than 'Road' for these), to the extent that `addr:street=*` will show > that for the name, then `name=*` gets that name. (Yes I know that > there are mappers who would prefer `noname=yes` in that situation, but > address validation has an easier time with the way I do it.) > Please stop. This gets very annoying for data consumers (especially your average joe just using a satnav). Fix your validation process instead. > (3) In the US, there are so many coincidences among numbered routes > that they're hard to work with unless you use `route=road` relations. > Moreover, there are a number of cases where one jurisdiction's route > crosses over into another jurisdiction's territory, but the owning > juristiction still maintains and numbers it. There are New York State > highways with portions in at least Connecticut, New Jersey and > Pennsylvania. Only a route relation can identify the state on NY 120A > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/108702747 where it's a New York > State highway on Connecticut soil. > (Note that its postal address is also Purchase, New York, and not > Fairfield, Connecticut, since its mail is delivered from the other > side of the state line. Confusion abounds.) > Ultimately this is the way forward, worldwide. ref on ways is a stupid way to describe routes and ultimately it's beyond time to kill that dinosaur (not to mention, precludes the way from having it's own ref, which every state-owned road in Oregon and Pennsylvania at a minimum, does).
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