Dear Volker, I saw that someone went ahead and changed the wiki again:
Use roundtrip=yes to indicate that start and end of a route are at the same location. I think this new definition matches your idea of roundtrip and it's fine for both definitions. My last offer is to abandon the closed_loop tag in favour of: roundtrip:type=linear|circular Do you agree? Francesco Il ven 20 dic 2019, 22:45 Volker Schmidt <[email protected]> ha scritto: > Please revert the roundtrip wiki change, but let's put any other > wiki-changes on halt for a moment. > What we need to do is to find out how the roundtrip tag is being used (the > wiki is suposed to document the actual use, not what the use should be) and > in particular if there is a more-than sporadic use of roundtrip=yes|no for > anything else than loop=yes|no. > It's difficult to get reliable quantitative results, but: > A fast overpass turbo wizard query > "type:relation and route=bicycle and roundtrip=yes in > Italy|France|England|USA|Bayern" > resulted in > Italy: 58 lines with at best a handful of them not closed loops > France: 358 lines with maybe 10 non-loops > England: 25 lines, all loops. > USA: 29, about 6 non-loops > Bavaria 213, did not find any non-loops > For me this is a strong indication that the large majority of all cycle > route relations in these countries that have a roundrip=yes are in fact > loops and that that this is the de-facto use of the tag. > I think this is a strong case against any change. > > Taginfo points in the same direction > 12665 roundtrip=no > 21774 roundtrip=yes > 42 closed_loop=yes > no closed_loop=no > > Volker > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 18:17, Francesco Ansanelli <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> In my opinion the options are: >> >> - deprecate roundtrip in favour of 2 tags with a generally agreed naming >> convention (best at this point) >> - keep roundtrip and closed_loop with the wiki definition I did change >> (relations must be updated accordingly) >> >> I read many of you asked a revert, I just want to point out that is not a >> resolution because tag is currently messed up >> >> Il ven 20 dic 2019, 15:08 Steve Doerr <[email protected]> ha >> scritto: >> >>> On 19/12/2019 22:48, Phake Nick wrote: >>> >>> Merriam Webster and some other resources you have quoted are dictionary >>> for American English, not the variant of English used by OSM. Posts by >>> original author of the topic on the wiki talk page have explained the >>> meaning of the term in British English. >>> >>> >>> The OED definitions read as follows: >>> >>> Originally U.S. >>> A. n. >>> 1. >>> a. A journey to a place and back again, along the same route; (also) a >>> journey to one or more places and back again which does not cover the same >>> ground twice, a circular tour or trip. >>> >>> b. Baseball. A home run. Cf. round-tripper n. 2. >>> >>> 2. In extended use and figurative, esp. (Mining and Oil Industry) an >>> act of withdrawing and replacing a drill pipe. >>> >>> 3. Stock Market (originally U.S.). The action or an instance of buying >>> and selling the same stock, commodity, etc., often simultaneously. Cf. >>> round turn n. 4. >>> >>> B. adj. (attributive). Chiefly North American. >>> >>> 1. Of or relating to a round trip (in various senses). Cf. return n. >>> Compounds 1. >>> >>> 2. That makes or has made a round trip (literal and figurative). >>> >>> C. adv. Chiefly North American. >>> >>> As a round trip; by travelling to a place and back again. >>> >>> Note the frequent references to 'U.S.' and 'North American'. It's an >>> American phrase, though now widely adopted in the UK. >>> >>> -- >>> Steve >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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