“Sidewalk” is North American English, but it’s used because the British term is “pavement”, which is confusing due to its dual meaning. As a North American I would expect it to be separated from the road by a curb (kerb) or a strip of grass.
Oxford dictionaries definition, Pavement: "1. British A raised paved or asphalted path for pedestrians at the side of a road. - ‘he fell and hit his head on the pavement’ - North American term: sidewalk" https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/pavement Wikipedia claims: "... normally separated from the vehicular section by a curb. There may also be a median strip or road verge (a strip of vegetation..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidewalk These definitions fit my impression, as an American, that a "sidewalk" is a separate feature, not part of the same paved road surface as the main lanes of the highway. If there's just a painted line, we would normally call the space between the line and the edge of the asphalt "the shoulder" of the road in a rural area, or it can also be a "bike lane" if it's wide enough and there are certain markings. So I'm in favor of a new key like pedestrian_lane=right/left/both, rather than calling these a type of sidewalk - Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 3:51 PM Mateusz Konieczny <matkoni...@tutanota.com> wrote: > > 20 Oct 2019, 19:08 by selfishseaho...@gmail.com: >> >> On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 at 12:42, Tobias Zwick <o...@westnordost.de> wrote: >>> >>> >>> How about: >>> >>> sidewalk=right >>> sidewalk:right:kerb=no >> >> >> I dislike using these tags for pedestrian lanes for the following >> reasons (sorry if i repeat myself): >> >> * It doesn't make sense: if it doesn't have a kerb (or any other >> physical barrier) it isn't a sidewalk. > > I am curious about opinion of a native speaker > of British English. > > Are you maybe one? > > (Sorry for poor phrasing here, > I tried to make it less aggressive and failed) >> >> * Blind people are able to make out a sidewalk, but not a pedestrian lane. > > No one argues against tagging this info. > We only disagree how it should be tagged. >> >> * It's misleading: Data users may not know the tag >> sidewalk:right:kerb=no and thus may make wrong assumptions. For >> example, a navigation application may guide a pedestrian along a route >> with only pedestrian lanes instead of safer route with sidewalks. > > And with a new incompatible tag > routing software may guide along > road without even such lane, instead of > using route where at least pedestrian > lanes are present. > > In both cases routing software would > benefit from an upgrade. >> >> >> * pedestrian_lane=<left/right/both> is simpler for mappers and data users. > > Depends on whatever you consider > it as a low quality sidewalk or > a separate feature. > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging On 10/21/19, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 21. Oct 2019, at 08:51, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoni...@tutanota.com> >> wrote: >> >> I am curious about opinion of a native speaker >> of British English. > > > while I am not, I’m pretty sure the British term is pavement, not sidewalk > (for the kerb separated way, no idea about the marking separated way) > > We had deliberately chosen the word sidewalk for OpenStreetMap tagging > because of the ambiguity of ”pavement “ > > Cheers Martin > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
