This discussion needs to also happen on the proposal page, since it looks like the original poster is not following all of the emails here. See:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Tag:highway%3Dtourist_bus_stop - Joseph On 9/19/19, Paul Allen <pla16...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 15:02, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > your government also seems to include them: >> >> @Paul From a quick search it seems these specific rules exist in the uk >> as >> well, see here: >> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/traffic-signs >> signs giving orders-> No buses (over 8 passenger seats) >> >> > In simple signage, yes. But if you asked most people do those signs apply > to coaches > you'd get a variety of answers, because most people think buses and coaches > are > different things (except for long-distance coaches, which are somewhat > ambiguous). > > When you look at the actual law (scattered around several different pieces > of > legislation) local bus services carry passengers at separate fares and (if > I interpret > it correctly) stops can be no more than 15 miles (straight line distance) > apart. Excursions > and tours (which are usually coaches) are not local bus services. > Hop-on/hop-off > sightseeing buses have to be registered as local bus services. See > https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/705081/PSV353A_local_service_registrations_-_England__except_London__and_Wales.pdf > Long-distance coaches are not local bus services. All of those, from the > outside, may look > very similar. Some of those, from the inside, may look different. Any of > them may have > access rights and stopping positions that the others do not. > > As far as legislation, common British English usage, and local regulation > of access rights > goes, there is no "one size fits all" term meaning "it's the size of a bus, > it looks like a bus > and it carries passengers, and we can safely say that all vehicles matching > those criteria > have the same access rights." > > Long-distance coaches are very similar in operation to local services > except they have > provision to carry luggage, stop less frequently, may have a toilet and > often require advance > booking yet may be excluded from some roads that permit local service > buses. I don't > have any examples, but it's easy to conceive of situations where such a > distinction would > be made. We can probably accommodate long-distance coaches with PTvX but > need to > think about access=*. > > Excursion/tour coaches don't fit in with PTvX (except where they share a > stop with a local > registered bus service) or access=*. > > Sightseeing buses might fit with PTvX (with possibly a lot of ways being > hail and ride) but > again may have different access rights to local registered buses. > > Or maybe we should try to squeeze the worms back into the can and be happy > with what > we have, even though it is not adequate to describe reality. > > -- > Paul > _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
