On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 15:02, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
your government also seems to include them: > > @Paul From a quick search it seems these specific rules exist in the uk as > well, see here: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/traffic-signs > signs giving orders-> No buses (over 8 passenger seats) > > In simple signage, yes. But if you asked most people do those signs apply to coaches you'd get a variety of answers, because most people think buses and coaches are different things (except for long-distance coaches, which are somewhat ambiguous). When you look at the actual law (scattered around several different pieces of legislation) local bus services carry passengers at separate fares and (if I interpret it correctly) stops can be no more than 15 miles (straight line distance) apart. Excursions and tours (which are usually coaches) are not local bus services. Hop-on/hop-off sightseeing buses have to be registered as local bus services. See https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/705081/PSV353A_local_service_registrations_-_England__except_London__and_Wales.pdf Long-distance coaches are not local bus services. All of those, from the outside, may look very similar. Some of those, from the inside, may look different. Any of them may have access rights and stopping positions that the others do not. As far as legislation, common British English usage, and local regulation of access rights goes, there is no "one size fits all" term meaning "it's the size of a bus, it looks like a bus and it carries passengers, and we can safely say that all vehicles matching those criteria have the same access rights." Long-distance coaches are very similar in operation to local services except they have provision to carry luggage, stop less frequently, may have a toilet and often require advance booking yet may be excluded from some roads that permit local service buses. I don't have any examples, but it's easy to conceive of situations where such a distinction would be made. We can probably accommodate long-distance coaches with PTvX but need to think about access=*. Excursion/tour coaches don't fit in with PTvX (except where they share a stop with a local registered bus service) or access=*. Sightseeing buses might fit with PTvX (with possibly a lot of ways being hail and ride) but again may have different access rights to local registered buses. Or maybe we should try to squeeze the worms back into the can and be happy with what we have, even though it is not adequate to describe reality. -- Paul
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