A bus stop, a place where a bus halts to pick up and drop off passengers is both real and current. Tying it to a geographic object can be done in various ways, as we've shown over the past years.
I read the wiki a few times over the past years and then I started looking for something that works, both for mapping the stops and for adding them to the route relations, WITHOUT On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 3:39 AM Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think you might be referring to this proposal from Zverik last > summer, which suggests stopping using > public_transport=stop_position/platform/station, but keeps the > relations: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Refined_Public_Transport > > - =stop_position is not really needed for routing; doubles work for mappers > =platform is ambiguous; use =bus_stop, highway=platform (if the bus > stop has a physical platform) railway=platform etc > = public_transport=station is not specific, use amenity=bus_station, > railway=station etc). > > re: > "It's hard to ascertain precisely why PT was originally created" > > According to this comment, it started with imports, and a dispute > between English mappers and a few Central European mappers (or just > one?): back in 2010 there were 200,000 highway=bus_stop mapped beside > the road in England, at the location of the bus stop sign. But there > was data available in Switzerland that could be imported that had the > node in the center of the highway, probably for bus operator purposes, > and a mapper started importing these and changed the wiki to say this > was better. There was a dispute about this. To resolve it, the > proposal that was eventually approved created specific tags for > stop_position (on the highway) which could use access tags like > "bus=yes" to specify the vehicle and "platform" (for the bus stop), > and a stop_area relation. > > This wasn't sufficient information to render bus stops differently > than tram / light rail platforms, so the original tagging method > remained more common up until now. > > This hasn't stopped some mappers from claiming that there is a > "version 2" of mapping for transit which should replace the "old" > tags, and editing the wiki pages to put this view at the forefront, > going so far as to suggest public_transport=platform and =station for > ferry terminals and taxi stops, where this tagging is very rare. > > I've made to various wiki pages to describe the current situation. I'm > also working on making specific wiki pages for tags like bus=yes (used > for both access restrictions and to specify the type of public > transport vehicle at a feature). > > Joseph > > On 7/30/19, Dave F via Tagging <tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Hi > > > > This is not a criticism of Joseph. > > > > This post confirms what I've been saying for the past year - PT tags add > > nothing but confusion to OSM, which directly leads to errors. > > > > highway=bus_stop is a completely separate tag to any in the PT schema. > > It was created long before the invention of the PT schema and is the > > original & the most popular, accurate way to map a bus stop. > > > > The PT schema purely duplicates existing, well used, clearly defined > > tags. It adds no extra detail or information. > > > > A platform is a raised physical object compared to the surrounding area > > to aid vehicle boarding. Popular tags such as railway=platform, > > tram=platform are used for such entities. > > Public_transport=platform has been hijacked by PT to falsely represent a > > bus stop as an imaginary area on a pavement. As defined in OSM's welcome > > page: "OpenStreetMap is a place for mapping things that are both /real > > and current/ ". > > > > It's hard to ascertain precisely why PT was originally created but it > > appears to be that the existing tags weren't complete. However instead > > of adding that missing data, somebody though it would be a great idea to > > start from the very beginning with a completely new set of tags & try to > > paper over the gaps. The irony is that, after a lot of discussion over > > tag names & locations & quickly waning enthusiasm for adding them to the > > database, PT is *less* complete than the original data. What a waste of > > time. It's a mess. > > > > Over on the transit forum the PT schema has become so convoluted even > > those who helped create it are baffled. At least one is advocating its > > removal. > > > > It's time for the PT schema to be redacted. > > > > DaveF > > > > > > > > On 29/07/2019 15:29, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > >> I read up on the rather exhausting history of public transport tagging. > >> > >> The strange thing is that the approved proposal which introduced > >> public_transport=* and the current public_transport pages suggest > >> using bus=yes only for public_transport=stop_position. In contrast, > >> public_transport=platform doesn't have bus=yes added. > >> > >> Does this mean that tagging highway=bus_stop on the same node as > >> public_transport=platform is the approved way to specify that a > >> certain "platform" is a bus stop? > >> > >> It certainly looks that way. Does this mean that tagging > >> public_transport=platform + highway=bus_stop was the tagging that was > >> intended by the proposal to specify bus stops, and > >> public_transport=platform + railway=platform for train platforms, etc? > >> > >> It appears that the proposal specifically said that the existing tags > >> like highway=bus_stop were not deprecated. Current usage confirms > >> this: in the past year just as many (or perhaps slightly more?) > >> highway=bus_stop have been added as a public_transport=platform - > >> about 350,000 each - though the latter tag also can be used for > >> railways, trams, etc. > >> > >> Joseph > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Tagging mailing list > >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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