Hi Nick, Am 23.05.19 um 21:58 schrieb Nick Bolten: > # My experience with this mailing list: > - Quick to exasperate. > - You will be assumed to be coming to the table in bad faith. > - You will probably be insulted at some point, potentially sworn at. > - The same 8 or so people respond to posts out of a community of tens of > thousands of people, companies, non-profits, etc. > - The odd situation of absolute certainty in completely incompatible > opinions from those that do respond. > - Difficult for people to discover. How do we know that the opinions shared > here are in any way representative of the community, given that so few > discover + participate in it? > - Difficult to filter for relevance. Have to set up email filters and/or > specialized search queries. > - Zero real synchronization with OSM editors, the only way people add data > to the map. Blame doled out everywhere, but very little in the way of > collaboration, no real venue for doing so (see previous bullet points). > > Focusing on the idea of being an "arbiter", does that sound like a good way > to figure out which tags are good/acceptable? > > When I was mentoring a group of students a few years ago, several were > offended by the condescending and insulting responses they received on this > mailing list, all because they suggested making a coherent way of combining > existing tags into a pedestrian schema and doing a carefully-vetted import. > The import was so carefully-vetted that we later realized it wasn't even > really an import, but this didn't stop there being several insulting > accusations from several long-term OSMers on these lists. Those students > were motivated by helping other people and spent literal months attempting > to gather enough information from underspecified tagging standards and > would have been put off the community entirely if it weren't for the > project's momentum and much more productive and friendly interactions with > local OSMers. I think it's probably a good thing that it's so hard to even > know that there is a mailing list, as users have a negative experience.
Your criticism might have some true points and I am happy that is a bit more elaborated than a simple "mailing lists are bad and a toxic space". Don't you think that an accusation without a proof (link to mailing list archive where I can re-read the discussion that happened at that time) makes your claims more substantial? Best regards Michael -- Per E-Mail kommuniziere ich bevorzugt GPG-verschlüsselt. (Mailinglisten ausgenommen) I prefer GPG encryption of emails. (does not apply on mailing lists)
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