I'm not talking about large areas like the Black Forest, but smaller forests such as Hondsbossen, https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=sint-kathelijne-waver#map=17/51.07041/4.54562 Typically there is a map of the area near the entrances where the exact area is shown. That map is similar to the one you see on http://www.mechelsrivierengebied.be/index.php/natuurgebieden/natuurgebieden-sint-kat-waver/hondsbossen For an ordinary mapper it might be difficult to map the exact extend, but what about a government agency contributing to OSM ?
In this case there is no lake in the middle, so no reason for a multi-polygon. But in case there is a lake, what do you do ? Perhaps could map many of them as protected areas, but that's something we are investigating in the Belgian community. On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 10:51 AM Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This idea of a wood or forest as a whole region, rather than the area that > actually contains trees, may be culturally limited. > > I grew up in a town that was surrounded by national forest on all side, but > the valley floor had some pasture and residential areas (300 people). Did we > live in the forest? Not sure. The official National Forest boundary and signs > were miles away, surrounding our hamlet, but the land was all privately > owned, unlike the actual forest land > > So it sounds like some people, especially in Europe, want to be able to tag a > whole region with the name of the forest. > > Would this mean that the whole, very large “Black Forest” region in Germany > would get tagged as landuse=forestry or whatever, even though it includes > towns and farms and many other types of landuse? > > I don’t see how that would be helpful. > > If you want region names, there was a proposal before. These have been used > to name mountain regions (eg sections of the Alps) for example. But here as > well as in the “Black Forest” example, the borders will be very hard to > define. Who’s to say where the Alps end and the foothills or valley begins? > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 6:12 PM Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> >> >> sent from a phone >> >> > On 23. Jan 2019, at 08:55, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > And where do you put the name of the forest/wood ? On the MP or on the >> > outer way ? >> > I would think on the outer way, as the scrub is part of the named >> > area. But then I have an outer way with only a name tag. Is that >> > correct ? >> >> >> we generally do not have a working concept for names of many kind of natural >> landscapes and features. These things typically have fuzzy borders and >> consist of different landcover and landuse. When I wrote the landcover >> proposal the idea was to separate named entities from both, landuse and from >> physical landcover, hence enabling more detailed mapping of landuse and >> landcover by not being constrained by the name question for the creation of >> objects . >> >> I had envisioned natural as key to define “natural features” with their >> names, because by then this was still a possible reading of the largest >> parts of the values (wood, beach, spring, cave, wetland , coastline, heath, >> grassland, cliff, peak,...) with few outliers but now we have so many things >> like “mud” , “sand”, “bare_rock”, “grass” that it became less probable it >> can be agreed on. >> Maybe we could use “place” for it? In the end, place is about cultural >> objects, you could see named entities as result of a cultural process (they >> exist somehow in parallel to the “micro” reality, inside a forest you can >> find things that aren’t forest areas, but a person would still say they are >> inside that forest, e.g. a lake or a clearing or small fields. The locality >> nodes already are used like this. >> >> >> Cheers, Martin >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
