I don't see any changeset comments in either of the two you referenced. I would suggest adding a changeset comment to get their attention.
You can also look on their github page to see what they are working on. https://github.com/Microsoft/Open-Maps/issues Best, Clifford On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 5:23 PM, <osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au> wrote: > Well, the edits seem to be made in JOSM, and the speed seems to be too low > to be a bot. So I do think they are made by hand. > > > > But this (and tens of other changesets are all titled "Added turn > restrictions source: Probe”. I don’t know what “Probe” is, but I assume > it’s some automated tool somebody wrote to find these supposedly “missing” > turn restrictions. And now somebody is following the output of that tool to > enter the turn restrictions into OSM. > > > > Which really doesn’t make much sense to me, because of some tool is able > to determine that this isn’t a good place to turn, then router software can > do the same and doesn’t need explicit turn restrictions in OSM. > > > > Especially given that (in my understanding) turn restrictions are meant to > directly reflect a legal turn restriction that is signed “on the ground” > with either signs or road markings, which these are not. > > > > Cheers, > > Thorsten > > > > *From:* Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, 5 April 2018 09:53 > *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] no_u_turn restrictions for every entry/exit into > a roundabout when the way is split because of physical separation? > > > > That is absurd behaviour. Seems like somebody programmed a bot. > > > > Polyglot > > > > 2018-04-05 1:49 GMT+02:00 Tod Fitch <t...@fitchdesign.com>: > > Seems like tagging “noise” to me. I’d expect a router to use the > roundabout itself because exiting, making a U turn and then re-entering the > roundabout will be longer and thus slower. Since the no U turn relations > are there to make routing work and a reasonable router won’t need them, I’d > say they are “noise”. If I were to go in to fix something on that > intersection, I’d probably remove the no U turn restriction(s). But I don’t > think I’d go out of my way to find them. > > > > Cheers! > > > > On Apr 4, 2018, at 4:36 PM, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: > > > > I’ve noticed that someone from the Microsoft Open Map team is very busy > adding turn restrictions all over the place ( https://www.openstreetmap. > org/user/shawat94/ ). > > > > In my local neighbourhood, I noticed that he added no_u_turn restrictions > to all the nodes where a road into in/out of a roundabout is splitting > (because of physical separation). Which basically amounts to 4 no_u_turn > restrictions for every single roundabout. > > > > e.g. here: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57747093 > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57674063 > > > > There is no actual no_u_turn sign in any of these locations, it’s just > (mostly) physically a bad idea to attempt a u-turn here. > > > > Just a few weeks ago I discussed exactly this in #osm and the conclusion > was that it was neither necessary nor desirable to do this. > > > > I made a comment about that to the first of the two changesets linked > above, but haven’t gotten a reply. > > > > So, what is the general opinion about this here? Should these turn > restrictions be created or not? > > > > Cheers, > > Thorsten > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch
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