What is the difference with the rejected Education 2.0 proposal from 2016 ? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Education_2.0
Aren't we repeating all the arguments again ? m. On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2017-11-20 11:04 GMT+01:00 Erkin Alp Güney <erkinalp9...@gmail.com>: >> >> >> > What about dance / music (singing / instruments, ...) / schools? >> > Academies? Conservatories? Professional schools? >> education=specialty > > > > I'm not convinced. Why is there an education=driving or administrative, but > an academy of fine arts (similar to a university) or conservatory (might be > similar to a university) go into the same category as a dance school (could > be several levels, from the hobbyist leisure dance school to professional > preparation) or the music school kids go 1 time a week? This seems complete > arbitrary. > IMHO a good proposal should not need a "catch-all" tag for the rest (i.e. > what wasn't thought of earlier) which basically shifts meaningful tagging > into a subtag. If we already undertake the step to create a new top level > key just for education, all cases should fit into the same scheme (i.e. if > there is education=driving, there should also be education=dancing or > education=gliding, but this would mean "education" is about the topic, and > not about the level which would be implied by terms like "university" or > "graduate" or "vocational"). > > It should be clear, what the meaning of the "education" tags is (kind of > classification/criterion). Level of education? Field of studies? Then there > should be subtags with distinct meaning that cater each for a property > (which must be isolated/defined). > > I would also expect suggestions for several more details that aren't covered > yet, e.g. male, female / both-(etc.), mixed age classes or not or maybe even > both (e.g. relevant for kindergarten), etc. > > > What about the kind of specialization for general-education (e.g. classical > education (latin and greek), scientific, artistic, etc.)? > > There's not much about a rationale, e.g. what do you consider "all > educational facilities/institutions" and based on which criterion? E.g. what > about a shooting club, aren't people going there to learn how to safely > handle a gun, and how to use it / improve their ability? Similar things can > be said about a lot of clubs / associations. When does it fall under > "education"? This ambiguity together with instances like "university" (not > just education) are the reason it could be generally worth to question a > restructuring under a new "education" key according to this criterion. > > > >> >> > Subtags how to tag the specialization (if any), about the degress you >> > can get, institutes and faculties, etc.). >> These tags already exist. Institutes and faculties are now covered in >> "how to tag universities and mixed campuses" section of the proposal. > > > > it may be my cultural background, but I would not use the term "school" for > parts of a university. > The new relation type=institution remains mysterious, there are 7 instances > of it in the db, but no documentation whatsoever. Is this a kind of > "collection"? Can't we use a standard relation like "multipolygon" or "site" > (ok, there's the common problem with universities that they have many > different locations, often even single faculties have different locations, > and it would be desirable to have a method to connect e.g. 2 site relations > to one entity, I think sometimes we are doing this with operator and name > tags, but it is not very reliable or consistent, something should indeed be > introduced). Is "institution" only used for educational features? It would > probably merit a whole new proposal. > If college is "obsolete", does this mean colleges should be tagged as > universities? > > What about police schools, or military schools? Are those handled with a > "military" (e.g.) property on a university or vocational school element, or > are they new main values? > > Cheers, > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
