Your traffic engineers really need to tell Oregon how it's done.
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 6:58 PM, John F. Eldredge <j...@jfeldredge.com>wrote: > Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote: >> >> Sharrow markings are typically (and properly) only found on bicycle >> routes that do not have dedicated bicycle lanes, and bicycle boulevards. >> cycleway=shared_lane in the US, save for locales that Did Not Get the >> Memo™, should also have bicycle=designated and be a member of the >> appropriate type=route, route=bicycle relation. >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Greg Troxel <g...@ir.bbn.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Balgofil <balgo...@gmx.net> writes: >>> >>> > 1. "Radfahrstreifen": cycle lanes which are mandatory indicated by a >>> > sign and a solid lane (cycleway=lane) >>> > >>> > 2. "Schutzstreifen" cycle lanes with dashed lines not so wide as a >>> > "Radfahrstreifen" and therefore only advisory and no sign (cycleway=?) >>> >>> I think the most important thing is to define the semantics of what is >>> required. One problem (feature?) of OSM tagging is that there are a lot >>> of implicit defaults, and these make it hard to use the data. I think >>> we should be gradually defining the implicit tags (in the main tag wiki >>> page, not in the database). By that I mean things like highway=footway >>> implies motorcar=no. >>> >>> It sounds like Radfahrstreifen means that a cyclist may not ride on the >>> road outside the lane. But with Schutzstreifen, a cyclist may ride on >>> the road to the left of the dashed line. Or by mandatory do you mean >>> that cars are prohibited from crossing the solid (white?) line into >>> Radfahrstreifen but not prohibited from crossing the dashed line into a >>> Schutzstreifen? >>> >>> In the US, cycle lanes on roads seem to usually have solid white lines, >>> with dashed lines for turning places. I am unclear on whether there are >>> restrictions on cyclists in various states (in MA, I don't believe so, >>> beyond the standard rule that cyclists must ride as far to the right as >>> can be done safely, which is usually less far than cars think :-). But >>> I think cars are prohibited from driving in cycle lanes - I did see a >>> Big Brother sign exhorting cars to stay out. >>> >>> In the US, my impression is that sharrows are just a reminder to >>> everyone of the normal rules which always apply and have no real >>> significance. In that respect, they are kind of like signs that say >>> "Please drive nicely", or "Check twice; motorcyles are everywhere.". >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >>> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> > The typical pattern here in Nashville, Tennessee, USA is for designated > bicycle routes to have dedicated bicycle lanes mid-block, and sharrows at > intersections, rather than have motorized traffic turn across a bicycle > lane that is outside of the turn lane. > > -- > John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com > "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not > to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > >
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