On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:14 AM,  <j...@jfeldredge.com> wrote:
> I have never seen a stop sign at a railroad crossing.

I have.  They used to be quite prevalent.  Now they're more rare, as
most places have installed active warning devices and gotten rid of
the stop signs.

Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly where I was last time I saw
one, or I'd check it out on Google Street View.  On the other hand, it
only took a couple minutes of searching to find this news story:
http://www.abbevillenow.com/view/full_story/9581389/article-New-stop-signs--markings-installed-at-railroad-crossing-on-Hospital-Drive?instance=home_news_lead

> Buses are required by law to stop before a railroad crossing, and open the 
> bus door so that the driver can better
> hear if a train is approaching.  Some other commercial vehicles routinely 
> stop as well, but private vehicles aren't
> required to stop.

Illinois Rules of the Road: "When approaching a railroad crossing you
must stop within 50 feet to 15 feet if there is a posted STOP sign,
the electric signal is flashing or the crossing gate is lowered."
(http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/rules_of_the_road/rr_chap10.html)

> If there is a jurisdiction that places stop signs at each railroad crossing, 
> I would be interested in learning where it
> is.

I don't know of any jurisdictions that place them at *each* railroad crossing.

Anyway, I thought we were saying that railroad crossings *were*
defined as intersections.  They certainly would fit that definition of
"a node shared by three or more way segments".

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:26 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
<dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> really I don't see the point of this discussion anymore: I already
> question the benefit of tagged stop signs in general, as a stop sign
> itself requires very few seconds of travel time, while a unregulated
> crossing with a lot of traffic from the right might require a lot
> more, it all depends merely on traffic density (which itself is quite
> dependent on the time).

Routers are not the only users of OSM data.

> But why should we conduct research on
> "jurisdiction that places stop signs at each railroad crossing" or
> stuff like this?

No one's forcing you to do any research on anything.

> Is our way of mapping stop signs (or better the "requirement to stop") 
> depending on this?

One proposal for mapping stop signs is that the stop sign always faces
opposite the nearest intersection.  In order for a computer to
determine the nearest intersection, it has to have a precise
definition of intersection.  Whether or not railroad crossings count
as intersections would be a key part of that definition.

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