Thanks DM,
IMHO, we should describe this as a further level 5 sub-section under
[OSIS Bibles - CrossWire Bible
Society](https://wiki.crosswire.org/OSIS_Bibles#Marking_the_Words_of_Christ)
It would help where other modules ought to have the same intentional
distinction between the quotation marks and the Words of Christ.
Best regards,
David
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On Saturday, April 12th, 2025 at 9:21 PM, DM Smith <dmsm...@crosswire.org>
wrote:
> Yes, I did the original markup. STEP enhanced the module further.
>
> This markup is done as a transformation in osis2mod. It separates Words of
> Christ (WoC or RLT) markup from quote markup. For all the reasons given
> before regarding beginning, continuing and ending quotes, these are
> transformed into milestones. For the WoC, these need to be containers so that
> everything in the container can be “red”.
>
> osis2mod expects quotation markup to be natural. It knows when a new <q>
> element is found and knows when it is closed. It can easily generate an
> sID/eID pair.
>
> There should be no special mention of the pattern for OSIS texts.
>
>> On Apr 12, 2025, at 2:23 PM, David Haslam <dfh...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> The novelty was not in the use of the OSIS XML element q - per se.
>> It's rather the use of the milestone form of the q element, at start & end
>> of each quotation.
>>
>> And moreover, it's now got me wondering how all the attribute values for the
>> sID & eID pairs were generated? Did the source text have these already, or
>> were they generated by osis2mod somehow?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>>
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>> On Saturday, April 12th, 2025 at 7:03 PM, David Instone-Brewer
>> <davidinstonebre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David, I'm fairly sure STEPBible inherited this q markup. I always thought
>>> it originated with Crosswire before the Strongs were added.
>>>
>>> David IB
>>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2025, 18:44 David Haslam, <dfh...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I only spotted the use of this novel idea for the first time today...
>>>>
>>>> The milestone version of the OSIS q element
>>>>
>>>> In the Tyndale House Edition of the ESV module ESV_THE
>>>> the verses with speech are coded like this example in the OSIS:
>>>>
>>>>> $$$Genesis 29:7
>>>>> He
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:H00559">said</w>,
>>>>> <q level="1" marker="“" sID="01029007.1"/>
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:H02005">Behold</w>, it is
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:H05750">still</w>
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:H01419">high</w>
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:H03117">day</w>; it is
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:H03808">not</w>
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:H06256">time</w> for the
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:H04735">livestock</w> to be
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:H00622">gathered together</w>.
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:H08248">Water</w> the
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:H06629">sheep</w> and
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:H01980">go</w>,
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:H07462">pasture</w> them.
>>>>> <q eID="01029007.1" level="1" marker="”"/>
>>>>
>>>> NB. For readability, each XML element starts on a new line in this email.
>>>> The colours are mine too.
>>>>
>>>> Verses in the NT in which the words of Jesus are in quotation marks are
>>>> coded as in this example:
>>>>
>>>>> $$$Matthew 3:15
>>>>>
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G1161">But</w>
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G2424">Jesus</w>
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G0611 strong:G3004 strong:G4314">answered</w>
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G0846">him</w>,
>>>>> <q marker="" who="Jesus">
>>>>> <q level="1" marker="“" sID="40003015.1"/>
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G0863">Let</w> it be so
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G0737">now</w>,
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G1063">for</w>
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G3779">thus</w> it is
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G4241 strong:G1510">fitting</w> for
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G2254">us</w> to
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G4137">fulfill</w>
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G3956">all</w>
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G1343">righteousness</w>.
>>>>> <q eID="40003015.1" level="1" marker="”"/></q>
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G5119">Then</w> he
>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G0863 strong:G0846">consented</w>.
>>>>
>>>> AFAICT, this has never been documented in the developers' wiki.
>>>>
>>>> HT to Dr David Instone-Brewer and the STEP Bible team.
>>>> NB. David retired from Tyndale House about 5 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
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