David,
How do the Open Scriptures extensions to Strong’s numbers relate (if at all) to
the augmented Strong’s numbers documented by Tyndale House, Cambridge and
implemented in STEP Bible ?
https://github.com/tyndale/STEPBible-Data
Best regards,
David Haslam
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On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 12:54, pierre amadio <amadio.pie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I received the following feedback from Daniel Owens:
>
> #############
> When creating the OSHB, we ran in to the problem that Strong's numbers
> did not have a place for a number of prefixed lemma, including the
> inseparable prepositions and the vav conjunction. So we created some
> additional Strong's "numbers" to be able to mark up such lemma. You
> will notice that in the morph attribute, there are two parsings, "HR"
> for "Hebrew Preposition" and "HNcfsa" for "Hebrew Noun common feminine
> singular absolute". The preposition is the prefixed bet (בְּ). I hope
> that answers your question.
> #############
>
> I understand the logic behind the choice, but it looks to me this is
> is not behaving as expected with the Sword engine.
>
> Hebrew can express in a single word things that require several words
> in english.
> In my previous mail mentioning genesis 1:1 bereshit (in a beginning)
> is made out of 2 semantic units be/reshit:
>
> Excerpt from morphhb/oxlos-import/wlc.txt (where i think is the "raw"
> text used to build the module) from
> https://github.com/openscriptures/morphhb
> Gen 1:1.1 7225 בְּ/רֵאשִׁ֖ית
>
> Here we can see that / is used as a separator (or is it a reverse \ ? :-) )
>
> Let's look at an example with 3 elements, from genesis 12:1 in "Now
> the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country"
> the "out of your country" is a single word: from/earth-land/yours me-artze-ra
> Excerpt from morphbb's wlc.txt
> Gen 12:1.7 776 מֵ/אַרְצְ/ךָ֥
>
> If i look at this word with
> diatheke -b OSHB -o avlmn -f OSIS -k Genesis 12:1
>
> OSHB 1.4
> <w lemma="strong:H0776" morph="oshm:HR/Ncbsc/Sp2ms">מֵאַרְצְךָ</w>
> OSHB 2.1
> <w lemma="strong:Hm strong:H0776" morph="oshm:HR/Ncbsc/Sp2ms">מֵאַרְצְךָ</w>
>
> I see several problem:
>
> 1) As with bereshit (in a beginning), the strong number for the prefix
> is not a number and does not exist in the strong dictionary.
> This will probably result in unexpected behaviour from the frontend
> trying to show strong's number definitions.
>
> 2) with genesis example 12:1, the resulting xml node mention only 2
> elements (from/earth) מֵ/אַרְצְ and omit the "yours".
> I would have expected 3 entry מֵ/אַרְצְ/ךָ֥ in order to be consistent
> with how things are displayed with bereshit.
>
> I try to see if this had an effect with diatheke, looking for strong
> entry H0776:
>
> OSHB 1.4
> /usr/local/sword/bin/diatheke -b OSHB -s lucene -r Genesis -k "lemma:H0776"
> 252 matches
> /usr/local/sword/bin/diatheke -b OSHB -s attribute -r Genesis -k
> "Word//Lemma./H0776/"
> 292 matches
>
> OSHB 2.1
> /usr/local/sword/bin/diatheke -b OSHB -s lucene -r Genesis -k "lemma:H0776"
> 252 matches
> /usr/local/sword/bin/diatheke -b OSHB -s attribute -r Genesis -k
> "Word//Lemma./H0776/"
> 252 matches
>
> It looks like diatheke still finds the entry, now, what i do not
> understand is why the attribute search with version 1.4 find 292
> matches instead of 252 (which all the other research seems to agree
> on).
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