On 20 Jun 2013, at 20:34, Warner Losh <i...@bsdimp.com> wrote:

> People trying new versions of FreeBSD. Some of them install the release, 
> others might install a snapshot, some will do an install world. But if it 
> worked in release 9.3 and broke in 9.4, then to find where they would need to 
> install an svn port to get all the points in between.
> 
> Not having to install a port, possibly a port that got messed up by the world 
> you just build, is a big win for me in my mind. Users often have commented to 
> me that running FreeBSD gets harder and harder with more hoops to jump 
> through to do things that used to be easy. Installing svn is one more hoop. 
> It, by itself isn't a huge hoop, but if we can avoid that hoop we should.
> 
> I do mind installing a port to do this. We've kicked too much out of the tree 
> in the name of anti-bloat, and frankly I'm glad to see this.

This rationale makes sense to me.

> I think insisting on a definitive statement on svn lite's mission statement 
> is a way to obstruct progress. Sometimes you just need to things because they 
> feel right, not because they have been through a 20-step approval process...

When we add something to base, it should always be for a reason with a defined 
use-case that can't be (easily) solved by existing means.  I think we have that 
rationale now, and I'm happy.  A long discussion could have been circumvented 
by providing it up-front.

David

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