My clients, students and those who have Ambisonics produced appropriately would 
disagree on your opinion.
I'd also wager that Funktion One, Imogen Heap and Lou Reed would all argue that 
Ambisonics (even first order) works perfectly well for produced modern music.

But that's just their opinion, too.

Andrew J. Horsburgh, Researcher
andrew.horsbu...@uws.ac.uk

Ambisonic & Spatial Audio Research Group
University of the West of Scotland, www.uws.ac.uk
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From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf 
Of newme...@aol.com [newme...@aol.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 16:09
To: sursound@music.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

Ronald:

> Wrong. They would want it, if they ever heard it.

Sorry.  I've heard surround and it's just not good enough to  matter -- for
MUSIC.

I've heard "Dark Side" and I've heard "Kind of Blue" . . . and most of the
rest of the SACD and DVD-A releases.  Some are fabulous, some are not but
none of it was enough.  Good try.  Experiment failed.

I've recorded with Tetramics and I've set up an HSD 3D system, on which I
enjoyed the 3RD DIMENSION of music -- height -- but none of this is  enough.

Amibsonics (i.e. FOA) is fabulous for AMBIENCE but, alas, not for  MUSIC
(due to the lack of frontal emphasis) and c'mon . . . we all know  it.

The reason why Ambisonics hasn't succeeded -- after all this  time -- for
MUSIC is that it's not *good* enough to make a  difference.


That's why the HOA "debates" happened.  Smart people with well-trained
ears KNOW that FOA isn't good enough.


It has nothing to do with MAG or the British government or bad timing or
bad business decisions -- it doesn't *improve* the listening to MUSIC enough
for  people to care.  Seems that Apple also figured that out.

I also know many people in the music *business* and they also heard it
(indeed, spent a lot of money on it) and have universally come to the same
conclusion.

Case closed.

Mark Stahlman
Brooklyn NY
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