> ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:19:34 +0000 (GMT) > From: Charlie Richmond <charl...@richmondsounddesign.com> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays > To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Message-ID: > <alpine.lrh.2.00.1012161618430.13...@verbose.twistedhistory.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > >> i need to get a windows box anyway, so i'll have a look at SSR asap... > > And you could also plug in our dongle and check out SoundMan-Server ;-) > > Enjoy! > Charlie > > | - Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond - | > | - http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" - | > | - SoundMan-Server & AudioBox II - the ultimate Virtual Sound System - | > | -------- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/charlierichmond ------- | > | -------- Facebook: charlie.richmond Twitter: charlierichmond -------- | > | NOTE: Primary and much preferred method of communication is via skype | >
or simply you can put your rendered audio files on an SD card and play them with one or more X-spat Player. http://xspat.aegweb.it/new/inglese/x_ingplayer.html best, Simone On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:00 PM, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote: > Send Sursound mailing list submissions to > sursound@music.vt.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sursound-ow...@music.vt.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Sursound digest..." > > > When replying, please remember to edit your Subject line to that of the > original message you are replying to, so it is more specific than "Re: > Contents of Sirsound-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Calrec CM4050 Surround Microphone SN: 502 (Geoffrey Barton) > 2. paging Richard Lee (Brian Dasilva) > 3. Re: scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays > (sascha.sp...@telekom.de) > 4. Re: scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays > (J?rn Nettingsmeier) > 5. Re: scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays > (sascha.sp...@telekom.de) > 6. Re: scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays > (J?rn Nettingsmeier) > 7. Re: scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays (Charlie Richmond) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:16:48 +0000 > From: Geoffrey Barton <geoffreybar...@mac.com> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Calrec CM4050 Surround Microphone SN: 502 > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Message-ID: <1369de12-97eb-44a2-8f5a-a28e094d2...@mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > On 15 Dec 2010, at 17:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote: >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:37:42 -0500 >> From: Daniel Courville <courville.dan...@uqam.ca> >> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Calrec CM4050 Surround Microphone SN: 502 >> To: Sursound <sursound@music.vt.edu> >> Message-ID: <c92d1534.8433%courville.dan...@uqam.ca> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >> >> Le 10-12-13 16:54, J?rn Nettingsmeier a ?crit : >> >>> now remains the question: whose are the mysterious initials on that >>> controller box? >> >> RL = Richard Lee ? >> > > Could be. The controller module is from a MKIII control box and is not > contemporary with the microphone. > > G > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20101215/e4f3bdc9/attachment.html> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:57:16 -0700 > From: "Brian Dasilva" <bdasilva....@earthlink.net> > Subject: [Sursound] paging Richard Lee > To: "Surround Sound discussion group" <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Message-ID: <f988297ef6f347b6a06fa21e549b9...@brian> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > is it you? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoffrey Barton" <geoffreybar...@mac.com> > To: <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Calrec CM4050 Surround Microphone SN: 502 > > >> >> On 15 Dec 2010, at 17:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote: >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:37:42 -0500 >>> From: Daniel Courville <courville.dan...@uqam.ca> >>> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Calrec CM4050 Surround Microphone SN: 502 >>> To: Sursound <sursound@music.vt.edu> >>> Message-ID: <c92d1534.8433%courville.dan...@uqam.ca> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>> >>> Le 10-12-13 16:54, J?rn Nettingsmeier a ?crit : >>> >>>> now remains the question: whose are the mysterious initials on that >>>> controller box? >>> >>> RL = Richard Lee ? >>> >> >> Could be. The controller module is from a MKIII control box and is not >> contemporary with the microphone. >> >> G >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20101215/e4f3bdc9/attachment.html> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:27:34 +0100 > From: <sascha.sp...@telekom.de> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays > To: <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Message-ID: > <611c5bb275c20444bc525c39a563cdcd042bf...@s4de9jsaaii.ost.t-com.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear J?rn, > > did you consider using Wave Field Synthesis? WFS has no problems with > irregular setups, as far as no large gaps (due to doors etc.) are in the > array. And it fully supports model-based rendering, which means that you can > easily generate loudspeaker feeds for virtual sources at arbitrary positions. > You might want to give the SoundScape Renderer (SSR) a try > http://www.tu-berlin.de/?ssr in such a setting. It supports real-time > model-based rendering with WFS, amplitude panning Ambisonics, and vector-base > amplitude panning (VBAP) (...and binaural synthesis/BRS). > > greetings, > Sascha > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu >> [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of J?rn Nettingsmeier >> Sent: Dienstag, 7. Dezember 2010 17:26 >> To: Surround Sound discussion group >> Subject: [Sursound] scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays >> >> hi everyone! >> >> >> it looks like i get the chance to build an ambisonic test rig >> out of six small line arrays early next year, to make a >> circular array of 18m diameter or an ellipsoidal one with >> 25-30ms long side. the actual dancefloor will be at least 5 m >> smaller, given that we have to use ground stacks which yield >> more uneven coverage than flown arrays. >> >> the idea is to check the feasibility of ambisonics for >> dj/club events and ultimately also rock concerts, or more >> generally: of using very large arrays where almost everybody >> is outside the strict sweet spot. >> >> the system will be driven in second order (which might turn >> out to be the weak spot), the idea is to give the >> dj/performer precise control of the panning for all the >> sounds s/he generates, to provide an extra degree of creative >> freedom in club music. >> >> unfortunately, the test run will have to be indoors, but >> ultimately, the goal is to find an opportunity to build such >> a rig for an open-air party, preferrably in third order, with >> flown arrays. >> i'm aware of the activities of the funktion one folks in the >> uk and have heard they are using ambisonics to great effect, >> but unfortunately i haven't had the chance to listen to one >> of their rigs yet. but i'd be very much interested in trading >> war stories and experience. >> >> now, a few questions: >> >> 1. are people with experience in practical ambisonics and/or >> live sound reinforcement on this list who might be interested >> to attend? if so, please get in touch. the test will probably >> be in hamburg/germany. >> >> 2. as to decoding, will it make sense to consider max rV >> decoding at all, given that we have to deal with huge timing >> differences outside the strict sweet spot, or is it better to >> deal to use max rE decoding over the full spectrum? if dual >> band is used at all, i guess the crossover frequency should >> be in the range of 40-50 hz? >> >> 3. can you think of interesting test cases or tweaks that >> should be tried during the test run? i will of course try to >> play some first-order natural recordings, but i'm not >> expecting much :) >> >> best, >> >> >> j?rn >> >> >> -- >> J?rn Nettingsmeier >> Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 >> >> Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio), >> Elektrofachkraft Audio and event engineer - Ambisonic >> surround recordings >> >> http://stackingdwarves.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:36:46 +0100 > From: J?rn Nettingsmeier <netti...@stackingdwarves.net> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Message-ID: <4d0a07de.8060...@stackingdwarves.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > hi sascha! > > On 12/16/2010 01:27 PM, sascha.sp...@telekom.de wrote: >> Dear J?rn, >> >> did you consider using Wave Field Synthesis? WFS has no problems with >> irregular setups, as far as no large gaps (due to doors etc.) are in >> the array. And it fully supports model-based rendering, which means >> that you can easily generate loudspeaker feeds for virtual sources at >> arbitrary positions. You might want to give the SoundScape Renderer >> (SSR) a try http://www.tu-berlin.de/?ssr in such a setting. It >> supports real-time model-based rendering with WFS, amplitude panning >> Ambisonics, and vector-base amplitude panning (VBAP) (...and binaural >> synthesis/BRS). > > i haven't quite understood how very sparse WFS systems are supposed to > work (IOSONO presented one with 1m tweeter distance at the > tonmeistertagung), so i didn't consider it for this application. > > will a circle of eight systems produce anything meaningful when driven > via WFS? and if so, why would anyone still call it WFS? > > i need to get a windows box anyway, so i'll have a look at SSR asap... > sounds like it allows for easy A/B comparison between the different > rendering methods? > > best, > > j?rn > > > > > -- > J?rn Nettingsmeier > Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 > > Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio), Elektrofachkraft > Audio and event engineer - Ambisonic surround recordings > > http://stackingdwarves.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:48:22 +0100 > From: <sascha.sp...@telekom.de> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays > To: <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Message-ID: > <611c5bb275c20444bc525c39a563cdcd042bf...@s4de9jsaaii.ost.t-com.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >>> Dear J?rn, >>> >>> did you consider using Wave Field Synthesis? WFS has no >> problems with >>> irregular setups, as far as no large gaps (due to doors >> etc.) are in >>> the array. And it fully supports model-based rendering, which means >>> that you can easily generate loudspeaker feeds for virtual >> sources at >>> arbitrary positions. You might want to give the SoundScape Renderer >>> (SSR) a try http://www.tu-berlin.de/?ssr in such a setting. It >>> supports real-time model-based rendering with WFS, >> amplitude panning >>> Ambisonics, and vector-base amplitude panning (VBAP) >> (...and binaural >>> synthesis/BRS). >> >> i haven't quite understood how very sparse WFS systems are >> supposed to work (IOSONO presented one with 1m tweeter >> distance at the tonmeistertagung), so i didn't consider it >> for this application. >> >> will a circle of eight systems produce anything meaningful >> when driven via WFS? and if so, why would anyone still call it WFS? > > For such a setup VBAP might be a good choice. The question is disputable what > technique is connected to the term WFS... > >> i need to get a windows box anyway, so i'll have a look at SSR asap... >> sounds like it allows for easy A/B comparison between the >> different rendering methods? > > It currenly runs only under Linux. However, we are working on a Mac OS (and > perhapts also an Windows) port, which should be quite straigforward due to > jack. Yes, you can do a A/B comparison of methods. However, the rendering > method is choosen at the startup of the SSR. So you would have to restart the > SSR for such a comparison or have two running in parallel and switch the jack > connections. > > > greetings, > Sascha > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:21:48 +0100 > From: J?rn Nettingsmeier <netti...@stackingdwarves.net> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Message-ID: <4d0a126c.3030...@stackingdwarves.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 12/16/2010 01:48 PM, sascha.sp...@telekom.de wrote: > >>> i need to get a windows box anyway, so i'll have a look at SSR >>> asap... sounds like it allows for easy A/B comparison between the >>> different rendering methods? >> >> It currenly runs only under Linux. > > /me punishes self with a very large hammer while trying to come up with > an excuse for not having tried it ages ago.... > > will rectify that asap. thanks for this pointer! i had always filed your > work as "windows-only, maybe later", don't know why. > > best, > > j?rn > > > > -- > J?rn Nettingsmeier > Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 > > Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio), Elektrofachkraft > Audio and event engineer - Ambisonic surround recordings > > http://stackingdwarves.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:19:34 +0000 (GMT) > From: Charlie Richmond <charl...@richmondsounddesign.com> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays > To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Message-ID: > <alpine.lrh.2.00.1012161618430.13...@verbose.twistedhistory.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > >> i need to get a windows box anyway, so i'll have a look at SSR asap... > > And you could also plug in our dongle and check out SoundMan-Server ;-) > > Enjoy! > Charlie > > | - Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond - | > | - http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" - | > | - SoundMan-Server & AudioBox II - the ultimate Virtual Sound System - | > | -------- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/charlierichmond ------- | > | -------- Facebook: charlie.richmond Twitter: charlierichmond -------- | > | NOTE: Primary and much preferred method of communication is via skype | > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > > End of Sursound Digest, Vol 29, Issue 16 > **************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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