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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:19:34 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Charlie Richmond <charl...@richmondsounddesign.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays
> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
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> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> 
>> i need to get a windows box anyway, so i'll have a look at SSR asap...
> 
> And you could also plug in our dongle and check out SoundMan-Server ;-)
> 
> Enjoy!
> Charlie
> 
> | - Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond - |
> | - http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" - |
> | - SoundMan-Server & AudioBox II - the ultimate Virtual Sound System - |
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> 

or simply you can put your rendered audio files on an SD card and play them 
with one or more X-spat Player.
http://xspat.aegweb.it/new/inglese/x_ingplayer.html

best,

Simone


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>   1. Re: Calrec CM4050 Surround Microphone SN: 502 (Geoffrey Barton)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:16:48 +0000
> From: Geoffrey Barton <geoffreybar...@mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Calrec CM4050 Surround Microphone SN: 502
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> On 15 Dec 2010, at 17:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote:
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:37:42 -0500
>> From: Daniel Courville <courville.dan...@uqam.ca>
>> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Calrec CM4050 Surround Microphone SN: 502
>> To: Sursound <sursound@music.vt.edu>
>> Message-ID: <c92d1534.8433%courville.dan...@uqam.ca>
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>> Le 10-12-13 16:54, J?rn Nettingsmeier a ?crit :
>> 
>>> now remains the question: whose are the mysterious initials on that
>>> controller box?
>> 
>> RL = Richard Lee ?
>> 
> 
> Could be. The controller module is from a MKIII control box and is not 
> contemporary with the microphone.
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> From: "Brian Dasilva" <bdasilva....@earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Sursound] paging Richard Lee
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> is it you?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Geoffrey Barton" <geoffreybar...@mac.com>
> To: <sursound@music.vt.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Calrec CM4050 Surround Microphone SN: 502
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>> 
>> On 15 Dec 2010, at 17:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote:
>>> 
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:37:42 -0500
>>> From: Daniel Courville <courville.dan...@uqam.ca>
>>> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Calrec CM4050 Surround Microphone SN: 502
>>> To: Sursound <sursound@music.vt.edu>
>>> Message-ID: <c92d1534.8433%courville.dan...@uqam.ca>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>>> 
>>> Le 10-12-13 16:54, J?rn Nettingsmeier a ?crit :
>>> 
>>>> now remains the question: whose are the mysterious initials on that
>>>> controller box?
>>> 
>>> RL = Richard Lee ?
>>> 
>> 
>> Could be. The controller module is from a MKIII control box and is not 
>> contemporary with the microphone.
>> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:27:34 +0100
> From: <sascha.sp...@telekom.de>
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays
> To: <sursound@music.vt.edu>
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> Dear J?rn,
> 
> did you consider using Wave Field Synthesis? WFS has no problems with 
> irregular setups, as far as no large gaps (due to doors etc.) are in the 
> array. And it fully supports model-based rendering, which means that you can 
> easily generate loudspeaker feeds for virtual sources at arbitrary positions. 
> You might want to give the SoundScape Renderer (SSR) a try 
> http://www.tu-berlin.de/?ssr in such a setting. It supports real-time 
> model-based rendering with WFS, amplitude panning Ambisonics, and vector-base 
> amplitude panning (VBAP) (...and binaural synthesis/BRS).
> 
> greetings,
> Sascha
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu 
>> [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of J?rn Nettingsmeier
>> Sent: Dienstag, 7. Dezember 2010 17:26
>> To: Surround Sound discussion group
>> Subject: [Sursound] scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays
>> 
>> hi everyone!
>> 
>> 
>> it looks like i get the chance to build an ambisonic test rig 
>> out of six small line arrays early next year, to make a 
>> circular array of 18m diameter or an ellipsoidal one with 
>> 25-30ms long side. the actual dancefloor will be at least 5 m 
>> smaller, given that we have to use ground stacks which yield 
>> more uneven coverage than flown arrays.
>> 
>> the idea is to check the feasibility of ambisonics for 
>> dj/club events and ultimately also rock concerts, or more 
>> generally: of using very large arrays where almost everybody 
>> is outside the strict sweet spot.
>> 
>> the system will be driven in second order (which might turn 
>> out to be the weak spot), the idea is to give the 
>> dj/performer precise control of the panning for all the 
>> sounds s/he generates, to provide an extra degree of creative 
>> freedom in club music.
>> 
>> unfortunately, the test run will have to be indoors, but 
>> ultimately, the goal is to find an opportunity to build such 
>> a rig for an open-air party, preferrably in third order, with 
>> flown arrays.
>> i'm aware of the activities of the funktion one folks in the 
>> uk and have heard they are using ambisonics to great effect, 
>> but unfortunately i haven't had the chance to listen to one 
>> of their rigs yet. but i'd be very much interested in trading 
>> war stories and experience.
>> 
>> now, a few questions:
>> 
>> 1. are people with experience in practical ambisonics and/or 
>> live sound reinforcement on this list who might be interested 
>> to attend? if so, please get in touch. the test will probably 
>> be in hamburg/germany.
>> 
>> 2. as to decoding, will it make sense to consider max rV 
>> decoding at all, given that we have to deal with huge timing 
>> differences outside the strict sweet spot, or is it better to 
>> deal to use max rE decoding over the full spectrum? if dual 
>> band is used at all, i guess the crossover frequency should 
>> be in the range of 40-50 hz?
>> 
>> 3. can you think of interesting test cases or tweaks that 
>> should be tried during the test run? i will of course try to 
>> play some first-order natural recordings, but i'm not 
>> expecting much :)
>> 
>> best,
>> 
>> 
>> j?rn
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> J?rn Nettingsmeier
>> Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487
>> 
>> Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio), 
>> Elektrofachkraft Audio and event engineer - Ambisonic 
>> surround recordings
>> 
>> http://stackingdwarves.net
>> 
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:36:46 +0100
> From: J?rn Nettingsmeier  <netti...@stackingdwarves.net>
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays
> To: sursound@music.vt.edu
> Message-ID: <4d0a07de.8060...@stackingdwarves.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> hi sascha!
> 
> On 12/16/2010 01:27 PM, sascha.sp...@telekom.de wrote:
>> Dear J?rn,
>> 
>> did you consider using Wave Field Synthesis? WFS has no problems with
>> irregular setups, as far as no large gaps (due to doors etc.) are in
>> the array. And it fully supports model-based rendering, which means
>> that you can easily generate loudspeaker feeds for virtual sources at
>> arbitrary positions. You might want to give the SoundScape Renderer
>> (SSR) a try http://www.tu-berlin.de/?ssr in such a setting. It
>> supports real-time model-based rendering with WFS, amplitude panning
>> Ambisonics, and vector-base amplitude panning (VBAP) (...and binaural
>> synthesis/BRS).
> 
> i haven't quite understood how very sparse WFS systems are supposed to
> work (IOSONO presented one with 1m tweeter distance at the
> tonmeistertagung), so i didn't consider it for this application.
> 
> will a circle of eight systems produce anything meaningful when driven
> via WFS? and if so, why would anyone still call it WFS?
> 
> i need to get a windows box anyway, so i'll have a look at SSR asap...
> sounds like it allows for easy A/B comparison between the different
> rendering methods?
> 
> best,
> 
> j?rn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> J?rn Nettingsmeier
> Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487
> 
> Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio), Elektrofachkraft
> Audio and event engineer - Ambisonic surround recordings
> 
> http://stackingdwarves.net
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:48:22 +0100
> From: <sascha.sp...@telekom.de>
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays
> To: <sursound@music.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
>       <611c5bb275c20444bc525c39a563cdcd042bf...@s4de9jsaaii.ost.t-com.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
>>> Dear J?rn,
>>> 
>>> did you consider using Wave Field Synthesis? WFS has no 
>> problems with 
>>> irregular setups, as far as no large gaps (due to doors 
>> etc.) are in 
>>> the array. And it fully supports model-based rendering, which means 
>>> that you can easily generate loudspeaker feeds for virtual 
>> sources at 
>>> arbitrary positions. You might want to give the SoundScape Renderer
>>> (SSR) a try http://www.tu-berlin.de/?ssr in such a setting. It 
>>> supports real-time model-based rendering with WFS, 
>> amplitude panning 
>>> Ambisonics, and vector-base amplitude panning (VBAP) 
>> (...and binaural 
>>> synthesis/BRS).
>> 
>> i haven't quite understood how very sparse WFS systems are 
>> supposed to work (IOSONO presented one with 1m tweeter 
>> distance at the tonmeistertagung), so i didn't consider it 
>> for this application.
>> 
>> will a circle of eight systems produce anything meaningful 
>> when driven via WFS? and if so, why would anyone still call it WFS?
> 
> For such a setup VBAP might be a good choice. The question is disputable what 
> technique is connected to the term WFS...
> 
>> i need to get a windows box anyway, so i'll have a look at SSR asap...
>> sounds like it allows for easy A/B comparison between the 
>> different rendering methods?
> 
> It currenly runs only under Linux. However, we are working on a Mac OS (and 
> perhapts also an Windows) port, which should be quite straigforward due to 
> jack. Yes, you can do a A/B comparison of methods. However, the rendering 
> method is choosen at the startup of the SSR. So you would have to restart the 
> SSR for such a comparison or have two running in parallel and switch the jack 
> connections.
> 
> 
> greetings,
> Sascha
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:21:48 +0100
> From: J?rn Nettingsmeier  <netti...@stackingdwarves.net>
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays
> To: sursound@music.vt.edu
> Message-ID: <4d0a126c.3030...@stackingdwarves.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> On 12/16/2010 01:48 PM, sascha.sp...@telekom.de wrote:
> 
>>> i need to get a windows box anyway, so i'll have a look at SSR
>>> asap... sounds like it allows for easy A/B comparison between the 
>>> different rendering methods?
>> 
>> It currenly runs only under Linux.
> 
> /me punishes self with a very large hammer while trying to come up with
> an excuse for not having tried it ages ago....
> 
> will rectify that asap. thanks for this pointer! i had always filed your
> work as "windows-only, maybe later", don't know why.
> 
> best,
> 
> j?rn
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> J?rn Nettingsmeier
> Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487
> 
> Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio), Elektrofachkraft
> Audio and event engineer - Ambisonic surround recordings
> 
> http://stackingdwarves.net
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:19:34 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Charlie Richmond <charl...@richmondsounddesign.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays
> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
> Message-ID:
>       <alpine.lrh.2.00.1012161618430.13...@verbose.twistedhistory.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
> 
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> 
>> i need to get a windows box anyway, so i'll have a look at SSR asap...
> 
> And you could also plug in our dongle and check out SoundMan-Server ;-)
> 
> Enjoy!
> Charlie
> 
> | - Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond - |
> | - http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" - |
> | - SoundMan-Server & AudioBox II - the ultimate Virtual Sound System - |
> | -------- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/charlierichmond ------- |
> | -------- Facebook: charlie.richmond Twitter: charlierichmond -------- |
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