It is indeed interesting.
Le 30/10/2023 à 06:56, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink a écrit :
The main problem as it stands with Gaza would be to get Starlink
equipment in for the international organisations to use. Coverage
wouldn't be an issue, but power and bandwidth would be.
I agree with these points.
But it is more difficult than that.
Indeed, if they can get starlink receivers in the place, then there is
need of power to power it. Maybe it is not easy to find electricity.
The bandwidth problem - I dont know precisely what is it in this
context. Maybe it's that there would be too many wifi users on a
starlink DISHY.
There are more problems: I think I heard Israel opposes this idea of
delivery of starlink in that place. The question is _how_ they'd like
to oppose. Is it verbal opposition, is it opposition of delivery of
starlink DISHYs to the aream or is it jamming, or is it something else.
For the latter two, there is legislation in place that would guide the
way in which they could oppose, but that legislation is fragile. For
example, is there frequency allocation authority in that area, I'm not sure.
Another problem is the statement of intention of activating starlink
over the place. What does it mean in practice. I suppose it is not
that simple as turning a knob on. Because these numerous sats already
go above the area, and the area is very small. The borders cant be
respected very easily from that high. This kind of statement like
'activate starlink' over certain area was already made in the recent
past. And it is the same unclarity, because that area is a small area.
(there are other - more clear - statements like 'turn on iphone sat
emergency calls' over other areas in Europe. But these areas are much
larger (4 large countries in Europe). And they are accomodated by
legislation allowing frequency use. Whereas in the starlink 'activate
over area x at war' there is no frequency agreements.)
Another problem is that, in case of delivery of starlink DISHYs: _who_
uses starlink in that area at war. One might deliver starlink terminals
in the area at war only to designated persons (e.g. a responsible UN
person). But a skilled person might plug that starlink into an existing
cellular basestation for the benefit of all: all regular smartphones
might connect to the regular basestation which in turn might reach the
Internet via starlink. At that point, it's not clear how the
responsible UN person might allow only some legitimate' (humanitarian)
smartphones to connect to these regular base stations.
Alex
It's a pretty dire situation. Palestinian friends of ours have had
extended family killed, the wife's mother is currently visiting here
and can't go back obviously - plus her apartment got flattened in her
absence early on. Then our friend's teenage kids from his previous
marriage got buried under rubble when their mother's place got
flattened, and that was just up to last week. I really need to ask him
what's happened since. They came here because they were sick of Hamas.
On the ham radio side, I helped a bit with band watch for MARS
(military affiliated amateur radio system) during the first Gulf War
when the local US garrison (Old Ironsides) got sent from Germany to
Saudi Arabia. A lot of them found out the hard way that if you have a
bank account in Germany and you're on deployment, your significant
other doesn't automatically get access to it like apparently they do
in the US, and the army didn't exactly think that it was their
problem, either. Got to listen to a lot of that. First world problems
compared to Gaza, though.
On 30/10/2023 5:32 pm, Joe Hamelin via Starlink wrote:
The US did shut down ham radio during WW2.
On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 9:27 AM Dave Taht via Starlink
<starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
I think that the internet should stay up, connecting people to
people,
through all the conflicts we may ever have. The mails kept running -
although censored - all through world war two - the red cross,
allowed
by all sides, to keep it's relief missions running, the churches
(mostly) doing their job to console the weary...
Many other orgs, like the ITU, and the IETF, are committed to the
continued free exchange of information, no matter what.
https://www.itu.int/en/about/Pages/default.aspx
I am happy to see a worldwide ISP committed to the same principles.
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