It seems to me that you have to flush a certain amount of water based on size 
of the main. The 10fps requirement can be calculated to gpm fairly easily. Then 
it is just a matter of flow, regardless of the size of the flushing connection. 
If you can get the flow out of a 1-1/2” connection (which I have my doubts), 
then great. You need a way of measuring it.   
  
  
  
  
Todd Williams     

  
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> > If this is for a new water main, the intent of this flush is to get rid of 
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> > if you have a 6" water service you need to achieve minimum flow for 6" pipe 
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> > If flowing a fire pump you would need to open 2 x 2 1/2" hose valves for 
> > that amount of flow so I'm very sceptical that a single 1 1/2" hose will 
> > produce the amount of flow required for a proper flush, personally when I 
> > have done a flush for a 6" water service we have flushed with 4"
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> > > Section 6.10.2.1 (2022 edition) of NFPA 13 prescribes a minimum flow rate 
> > > of 10 fps for flushing, and Table 6.10.2.1.3 offers flow minimum rates 
> > > for different pipe diameters that will achieve that velocity.      My 
> > > question is (the one that’s been posed to me by an inspector) is whether 
> > > or not there’s an absolute minimum flow rate in GPM based on size.      A 
> > > contractor has proposed to flush a 4” UG through a 1½” connection with 
> > > “several hundred feet” of 1½” hose to a collection point.      The 
> > > inspector is questioning (and I’m wondering also) if it is required or is 
> > > the intent to flush to at least the demand of the system, or some other 
> > > benchmark flow?      For whatever it’s worth Table 6.10.2.1.3 
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